[uucdigest] Tuesday, July 1 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6529
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Re: [uuc] Aluminum Jacks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:18:09 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: jack quality >Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:01:46 -0700 (PDT) >From: Dave Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] jack quality > >I don't know about the aluminum jacks other than Brunhozl, which is > a true racing jack used by NASCAR teams and runs about $1,400.00. > >On the other hand, I have done the research for steel shop jacks and >have come to the following conclusions. > >1. Lincoln is by far the best jack commonly available. It's American >engineered, designed and built Except for the cheap little Lincoln jack that is built offshore and breaks about the 5th time you use it. I don't know where it was engineered or designed, but it was not built in the U.S. >but is also the most expensive and is >often back-ordered. Again, you're talking about the higher end Lincolns. >2. Just underneath the Lincoln is a tier of very good jacks such as >Norco, Omega, Sunex, and OTC. <snip> Not sure where it fits in or who really built it, but I really like my Snap-On floor jack. It is easily the best floor jack I've ever used. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?tool=all&item_ID=56756&group_ID=1716&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog It is not aluminum, and weighs somewhere near 100 pounds. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:19:17 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] jack quality Dave Nichols wrote: > 1. Lincoln is by far the best jack commonly available. It's American > > engineered, designed and built but is also the most expensive and > is often back-ordered. I do not believe that the Lincoln jack is still available in an American made version, but may be mistaken. Steve D'G (http://www.ultimategarage.com/acjacks.html) has a very nice range of AC Hydraulic jacks. I have the DK20 & it works quite well for my needs. the longer reach models are really amazing in their length. it looks like you could jack up a car by the diff from the front of the car :-P I believe Pelican also sells the AC Jacks but get 'em from Steve & support a long-time digest contributor & generally good guy - not that the Pelican people aren't perhaps wonderful themselves, I just know Steve. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:18:06 -0400 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 325 LSD? My '94 sport package 325i came with 15's. Chris B. - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vernon L. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 325 LSD? Alex, Thanks for the info. I knew the i and is designations, but I wasn't sure if the sport package was the same for both. Munich is famous for making them different. Did the 93-95 sp cars come with 16"'s? Reason I ask is that some people autox that vintage car in stock with the sp and I thought they use the 15's, if they had 16's they would HAVE to use those. For stock, no upgrades are allowed. Of course, once beyond, into DSP and other areas, he can upgrade. I wasn't aware the TC was even available as I've never seen it - it must be rare indeed. The diff is critical for autox, so did ALL sp cars come with it if they didn't have TC, was it part of the sp? Thanks very much for the info.... Vern ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:40:49 -0400 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Floor Jacks Dave.....I have to disagree with you on this one. The best steel automotive jack I've found is the AC Hydraulic DK13HLQ. This jack, engineered and manufactured in Denmark, has a 5 year warranty, great under car clearance (stays under 4" of height for 16" of reach....try getting your Lincoln in under the sidepipes on Cobra's and Vipers), 28" of lift (enough to drop Porsche 911 engines), and the handle wont slam into your door panel when you least expect it. Its even a few pounds lighter than the Lincoln.. Steve Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] jack quality - - --0-2064236485-1057089706=:83386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I 1. Lincoln is by far the best jack commonly available. It's American engineered, designed and built but is also the most expensive and is often back-ordered. Steve D'Gerolamo, Ultimate Garage, 201-262-0412 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:38:34 -0400 From: "Michael McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Aluminum Jacks the big thing I've seen people complain about with the jacks is effort. the fewer the pumps to whatever height, the more effort required. so more pumps means less effort. ever watch a nascar pitstop? the jack guy isn't exactly a little guy. I've seen a few that make NFL linebackers look small. most *racing* jacks are designed to be light enough to be easily held on to while jumping over a concrete wall, and get the car in the air as fast as possible. a 300 pound guy probably won't mind flinging a 35 lb jack over the wall with him. he also won't have too much trouble lifting a 3400 lb car by *putting his weight* on the jack arm. if you weigh less, you might struggle lifting heavier cars. on the lifting capacity issue, you probably need a 2 ton jack. 1.5 tons is 3000 lbs. most cars weigh more than this. more lifting capacity is generally better. I wouldn't say that fewer pumps to full height makes a jack a better jack. at least not as far as quality is concerned. just a *faster* jack. I'd rather have 6 easy pumps than 3 impossible pumps. (half the effort can be a substantial difference.) chances are that the same company making a 3 pump and 6 pump jack that look identical, they are the same jack frames with different hydraulics. so load carrying capacity will be the same. only difference will be speed/effort. I prefer air jacks myself. let 200 psi of nitrogen do the work for me. - -Michael McCoy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: [uuc] Aluminum Jacks > This thread has gone around a couple of times, so I hope I don't start > another whole round of general speculation. But, I am seriously > considering the purchase of some type of aluminum jack. Does anyone > have an idea (beyond speculation) how to determine whether a particular > jack is of low, moderate, or high quality? I've looked online at > numerous jacks. There are cheap ones in the range of $150 - $275, > moderately priced ones in the range of $275 - $450, and high-priced ones > from there up. Some of the moderately priced ones appear to be (and > very well may be) identical to some of the cheap ones. At the same > time, I can't really see anything that makes the upper-level moderate > jacks or the high-priced jacks any different, and some of them could be > identical. > > > So, how do you judge quality, reliability, and safety? Here is my > speculation -- can anyone put engineering fact to speculation? > > 3-pumps versus 6? (I've never seen a 3-pump jack in the cheap range) > 2-ton or more instead of 1 or 1.5 ton? > Meets ANSI specs? > Steel lifting beam? (or do they all have this?) > High-strength, high-grade, T6, or heat-treated aluminum as opposed to > simpy billet aluminum? (I don't remember my aluminum specs -- billet > may be as good as any) > Replacement wear parts or hydraulic seals included? > Or is it just price alone? > Unfortunately, determining country of manufacture seems almost > impossible. > > It would seem to me that a 3-pump jack must be of at least moderate > quality. Ditto for a 2-ton jack. I'm sure that there are quality > 6-pump jacks and 1-ton jacks, but I'm speculating that there are not any > poor 3-pump or 2-ton jacks. ANSI specs, type of aluminum, and steel > support beam are likely the same in all aluminum jacks. But who knows? > > Even to change wheels you have to be partially under the car. > Personally, I don't like the idea of even doing that with a jack I don't > trust. > > Stan > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:41:35 -0400 From: "Michael McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Lee wrote: <snip> > & will carry it for hours on end well past the triple digit mark. <snip> > Lee > old 9000 turbo thingy what? past triple digits? saabs can go 1000+ miles per hour? they are cheap too you say? gotta go get me one of them thar' fancy saab rocketsleds. - -Michael McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:42:46 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: air jacks :-) Michael McCoy wrote: > I prefer air jacks myself. let 200 psi of nitrogen do the work for me. I wish there was a way to do this economically, it would be extremely cool for changing tires & such. no worries about getting the jack under the overly lowered car either... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:56:35 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: E36 325 LSD? The E36 325 sport package from '95 on (including E36 328s) received 16x7 wheels with 225/50/16 tires. Pre-95 sport packages came with 15x7 wheels wrapped in 225/55/15 tires as opposed to the stock 205/60/15 (which also came on non-sport package 95's). The seats that came in the sport package are the same as the non-vader M3 seats minus the M3-stiching. Traction control was an option in '94-95 models whether it had the sport package or not. However (as has already been discussed) limited-slip was only an option for cars w/o traction control. The stiffer/lower suspension (as Alex mentioned) and the full OBC round off the package. - -Nick Somma Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:41:10 -0500 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 325 LSD? > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > A friend of mine is considering a 325 (i or is) with a sport package >> > for some daily driving and autocrossing. Will probably start >> > autocrosssing it in DS, then maybe move to STS, STX or DSP. I'm an >> > E36M3 guy, so my knowledge of the various E36 325's isn't great. >> > He is looking at a late-93 to 95 325. A few questions: >> > 1. Sport package - what exactly did it consist of? Same in the i >> > and is? > >Vern, >For E36s, 'i' means a 4-door and 'is' is merely a 2-door. No correlation >with 'sports packages' as the case used to be with early E30s and E28s. >Sports Package included slightly stiffer springs, shocks and sway bars. >16" instead of 15" wheels and sportier vs. all-season tires. All of the >above will be replaced/upgraded once you start autoXing. <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:38:21 -0400 From: Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 325 LSD? >> > -----Original Message----- >> > A friend of mine is considering a 325 (i or is) with a sport package >> > for some daily driving and autocrossing. Will probably start >> > autocrosssing it in DS, then maybe move to STS, STX or DSP. I'm an >> > E36M3 guy, so my knowledge of the various E36 325's isn't great. >> > He is looking at a late-93 to 95 325. A few questions: >> > 1. Sport package - what exactly did it consist of? Same in the i >> > and is? When I ordered my '93 325is the LSD was available as part of the Winter Package. It cost about $25 more to get the bun warmers than just the LSD alone. I also ordered the Sport Package which came with Michelin Pilots, wider basket weave wheels, stiffer shocks, and bigger springs. I was also told that the ride height was 3/4" lower with the Sport Package. Michael Thompson E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:59:29 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] '99 M3 FS Must Sell! Distress sale! 1999 BMW M3, 87K Miles, Black on Black, rear spoiler, 5 spd., all power options, Computer has been performance programmed, new brake rotors and pads, new tires, a couple of slight blems here and there, but very nice inside and out, Car located in Knoxville, TN, garaged, non smoker, must sell this week, steal it from me for $21500. Looking for an E30 M3 track car, mileage under 120K. Evan Evans President Smoky Mountain Chapter BMW CCA 865-694-3088 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:21:18 -0500 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Aluminum Jacks This depends how much margin you want on that number on the side of the jack, and how much safety margin the manufacturer built into that number - - but it's physically impossible to support more than half the weight of a car with a single point jack. Michael McCoy wrote: >on the lifting capacity issue, you probably need a 2 ton jack. 1.5 tons is >3000 lbs. most cars weigh more than this. more lifting capacity is generally >better. > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6529 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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