[uucdigest] Wednesday, July 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6533
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Re: [uuc] Random thoughts on floor jacks RE: [uuc] Should I buy an e32 735il ('90)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:16:52 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... on 7/1/03 1:45 PM, Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like the look of the ML more and would probably buy > that, but the RX is a very impressive vehicle. I > benchmarked one for one of the big 3 in 1999 and was > very impressed by the engineering quality of things > like engine vibration linearity, road noise > penetration, chassis stiffness, park-disengagement > rattle, etc., etc. The ML, or the X5, are simply not > at this level of engineering refinement. I am also > sure the RX is more reliable than any of the German > offerings. > > So, for looks the ML, for engineering the RX. I recently borrowed an ML320 for a few days, and was quite unimpressed. I haven't looked up its weight, but clearly this vehicle is no sylph. You always have the sensation of pushing around some considerable mass. So too with the suspension; it feels as if there are big ol' live axles moving around down there. Steering is weird. It's light and without feel, and there's very little self-centering. The 3.2 litre V-6 just isn't up to the job. It wheezes and roars, but doesn't accomplish much. There's also some coarseness to it in the important 2500 to 3500 cruising rpm range. I didn't keep track of gas mileage, but it clearly was pretty dismal, despite the smaller engine. I'm sure the 4.2 V-8 would have taken care of the power deficit, but it sure wouldn't have helped much on either weight or mpg. Cargo capacity was modest unless you fold the rear seats down, but they don't lie completely flat. The interior has nowhere near the quality of design of the X5 (which I've ridden in several times but not driven). On the plus side it was handy to have something truck-like to haul track tires and other gear to the Club Race. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:32:50 -0400 From: "GA Carnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] SUVs. >If I was buying a car purely for safety for my wife >and kid(s) an SUV would be my choice for where I live. > As it is, there are several other factors that >influence my decision. Driving a 911 like Jack Ryan's >("Patriot Games"?) wife would be pretty cool! And did you see the way she handled that shotgun? What a babe... ;-) Chip Chip Mautz '88 BMW 528e '64 Austin Healey Sprite '02 Toyota 4Runner _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:15:52 -0500 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: floor jacks Michael Lawrence wrote: >Where do you get the 400% number for safety? > His recommended 2 ton jack gives about 400% margin on a street BMW in typical use (lifting at the corners, supporting with jackstands.) The implication was that e.g. the 2800 lb jacks at the Ultimate Garage aren't sufficient for lifting "most cars". No. >I think his point was that it is possible to jack a car up while lifting >100% of its weight, which the other poster stated was not possible. > > I was the poster. If you lift a car from a single point, the lift rating of the jack itself is the least of your safety concerns. Just pointing out the irony of going for lifting margins for safety, so that the jack can be used in an unsafe way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:29:43 -0400 From: "Michael McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: air jacks :-) > >I wish there was a way to do this economically, it would be extremely > >cool for changing tires & such. no worries about getting the jack > >under the overly lowered car either... > > The cool thing would be if you didn't have to carry the air with you. > So Ben... when do we add air jacks and maybe a tank in the trunk (weight > distribution) to the 332iS? Imagine pulling up to the tech inspection line > push a button and <Pppssshhh!!!...> Your car is up and ready to be > inspected. :-) > nitrogen bottles are not light. we have a "baby" bottle, like 2.5 feet high or so, and it still weighs at least 50 lbs. perhaps one of those little truly tiny bottles that people use for hiding nitrous installs would work. they are like 12 inches by 3 inches or so. probably only good for lifting the car one or two times though. > BTW the ones I've seen closely at a P-car club race (911 Cup cars) dropped > the > car like a sack of potatoes once you removed the air line, nothing gentle > about > the process. > > Carlos > 91 M3 > 88 iS <--back on the road baby! > the air wand is just used to charge the system. the thing you stick the wand on to is a valve. so when you push the wand on, the valve closes and the car goes up. you can then release the wand from the valve, and walk away with it, but the car stay in the air. then when you pull the valve out, thats when it drops the car. and you can pull the valve out just a little and let it bleed down, which will let the car down slowly. not easy to do, but doable. the real hard part is that you are letting the pressure out of the jacking system, so sometimes one of the jacks in the group will start going down first while the others say up (usually the one with the most weight on it). the drop off the air jacks isn't too bad for a car landing on its wheels. so the gentile letdown techniquie is generally only used when dropping the car onto stands. - -Michael McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:19:02 -0400 From: "Michael McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: floor jacks - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: floor jacks > Michael Lawrence wrote: > > >Where do you get the 400% number for safety? > > > His recommended 2 ton jack gives about 400% margin on a street BMW in > typical use (lifting at the corners, supporting with jackstands.) The > implication was that e.g. the 2800 lb jacks at the Ultimate Garage > aren't sufficient for lifting "most cars". No. > I said "most cars weigh more than this" meaning not just BMW's. example, a 2000 GMC Yukon Denali, which is listed at a gross weight of 6800 lbs. i stated that more capacity is generally better. and generally it is, especially when dealing with such low capacities to begin with. also, where is this 400% number coming from? 1/4 of 2 tons is 1000 lbs. my 3400 lb BMW exerts much more than 1000 lbs on a jack when putting it up on stands. if half the car is already 18 inches off the ground, and you go to lift the other half with the jack, thats more than half the weight of the car being lifted. 1700+ lbs. > >I think his point was that it is possible to jack a car up while lifting > >100% of its weight, which the other poster stated was not possible. > > > > > I was the poster. If you lift a car from a single point, the lift rating > of the jack itself is the least of your safety concerns. Just pointing > out the irony of going for lifting margins for safety, so that the jack > can be used in an unsafe way. > you said that it was " but it's physically impossible to support more than half the weight of a car with a single point jack." I was just pointing out that it is possible to support that weight on a single point. even gave an example of how to support more than 100% of the weight of the car via one point of contact. (jack, jack stand, whatever you want to use...) - -Michael McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:39:32 -0500 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: floor jacks Alright, alright, this thread is getting both pedantic and tired. Replace "impossible" in my original message with "impossible when used as intended" and let it rest. Michael McCoy wrote: > you said that it was " but it's physically impossible to support more than > >half the weight of a car with a single point jack." I was just pointing out >that it is possible to support that weight on a single point. even gave an >example of how to support more than 100% of the weight of the car via one >point of contact. (jack, jack stand, whatever you want to use...) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] FS: e23, e24, e28, and e30 Parts on eBay Sorry for the spam, but I have more parts for sale on eBay. Most, if not all, of them came out of my '87 528e but will fit a wide range of BMWs. The biggest thing (to me) I currently have listed is a practically brand spanking new clutch disc and pressure plate. This will work with the early 528e with single mass flywheel (that's the flywheel I had on my 528e), early 325e, and Euro 325i. . . among other cars. The disc has 5k miles while the pressure plate has 3k miles. The clutch parts only have about a day or so to go, so I'll probably end up relisting them tomorrow. If someone wants to make me an offer on them if there are no bids, feel free to e-mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's the link to my auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=fatdaddybmw Again, sorry for the spam, but thanks for the bandwidth! Brad "Shifty" Couvillon '87 528e www.fatdaddybmw.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:53:16 -0400 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet? At 9:19 AM -0400 7/2/03, Binder, Larry - Spine wrote: >This month a roundel article mentioned that the e90 would replace the e46 in >2005. Is this true? That seems like a very short run for the e46. Normal BMW product cycles are seven years (E36 U.S. 4dr 1992-98). The E46 4dr first came to the U.S. as a 1999 MY vehicle. The E46 replacement, due in "first quarter 2005" will likely be a 2006 MY vehicle. That's seven years in car manufacturer math. Now when and if the 2dr versions come out may be a different story all together. Current rumors tend in the direction of the proposed 4 Series designation for all 3 Series 2dr vehicles being dropped for the sake of simplicity, but the coupes could still debut up to a year after the sedans. - -Phil Marx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:36:30 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Random thoughts on floor jacks At 06:47 AM 7/2/03, Dave Nichols talked about: >1. Granted (Steve) the AC or other brand jacks from Denmark are top >notch, but for most of us with average size garages, they are too long and >too expensive. A fine piece of equipment for the pro, but overkill for >most of us. I have the DK20, which is the short body jack. It's no bigger than a Lincoln and works just fine in my normal 2-car garage, lifting either of the two E36s. >3. Even for the track, a steel jack is completely adequate. I only have >to take it out of the trailer once and load it once, so weight is a >secondary consideration. The wider wheels, extra long handle and lower >initial lift height are the priorities. Well, some of us still DRIVE our track/race cars to the track, so weight IS a consideration. At least for me. I weigh all of 135lbs (after a big meal :-)), and with a herniated disk there is no eff-ing way I'm getting a 90-100lb jack in and out of my car. For the moment, the disposable Wal-Mart jack does the job at the track (primary use: swapping tires), but would like to be replaced with an aluminium jack once I get a job. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1992 325is #44 JP/A5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:48:34 -0700 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Should I buy an e32 735il ('90)? Karl, The US E32 will have the big 6 motor which I believe in '90 will be putting out 208hp and good torque. Much better than the 186of the E23. 1. A chip really livens up the motor. Of course you'll need to use premium fuel. 2. A good extrudhone of the intake also helps breathing and improves hp. 3. Problems: early models '89/'90 had transmission problems. electricals are always a problem check each and every switch and function. Most 735 E32's don't have self leveling suspension. the front thrust rod bushings are a wear item but there are many alternatives which are long lasting. the typical drive cables on the seats are a common breaking item esp. at 13 years. ask if the upper oil spray bar bolt has been upgraded. typical plastic radiator limited lifetime. check hydraulic hoses and for leaking pump. run your hand under the hydraulic booster and look for leaking of the Pentosin fluid (green). are all the tools in the tool carrier? Otherwise , easy to work on. - -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6533 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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