[uucdigest] Wednesday, July 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6534
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Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... RE: [uuc] Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet [uuc] Be safe this summer! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:53:25 -0700 From: Tom Childers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW shops in Huntington Beach area? A friend of mine is moving down to Huntington Beach, California with her '85 325es, and needs to find a good independent shop. Does anyone have any recommendations for shops in that area, that do good maintenance work for a fair price, without padding their bills or doing unnecessary work? Thanks in advance, - -tdc Tom Childers Corte Madera, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:18:35 -0700 From: "Endersbee, David M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Annual search for Motorsport roundels I still have not found a source for BMW Motorsport roundels. The kind that were on the CSLs in the 70s. Not the M badged roundels. Anyone? Thanks. 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Thank you. ============================================================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:19:17 -0500 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Refinish toolkit tools My M5 was suffering from the leaky taillight gasket syndrome when I bought it and that led to, I suppose, a deterioration of the finish on the toolkit tools. Several of them have the chrome finish flaking off and rust taking over on one side. Anyone have any suggestions on a reasonable way to get them cleaned up and looking better? Thanks, Malcolm '88 M5 '98 328i ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:11:55 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Refinish toolkit tools A complete set excluding the spark plug wrench is around $86 from the dealer with CCA discount. Don't overspend on this. Ed Malcolm Reitz wrote: >My M5 was suffering from the leaky taillight gasket syndrome when I >bought it and that led to, I suppose, a deterioration of the finish on >the toolkit tools. Several of them have the chrome finish flaking off >and rust taking over on one side. Anyone have any suggestions on a >reasonable way to get them cleaned up and looking better? > >Thanks, >Malcolm >'88 M5 >'98 328i > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Neil: Probably from the 90-deg V6 with balance shafts instead of the 'proper' 60-deg V6. I recall running that motor in a dyno cell and being able to tell it was running vs another domestic V6 from just the coarseness you describe all the way in my office at the other end of the building. Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers. At lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55 AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories including slalom. I was surprised until I realized he meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the NEW M5 V10 will blow it away. I do like the direction of the MBZ styling and that is pretty important to me. I think I've bought my last BMW for some time unless I get a good deal on an M coupe. Neil Deshpande *** Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The 3.2 litre V-6 just isn't up to the job. It wheezes and roars, but doesn't accomplish much. There's also some coarseness to it in the important 2500 to 3500 cruising rpm range. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:08:52 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet? I get the impression that BMW phases the introduction of facelifts, leaving the top-end cars with the old "look", to maintain used values. The halo effect of having your has-been 2003 car looking just like the bang-up-to-date 2004 M3 is not to be underestimated. Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "Normal BMW product cycles are seven years (E36 U.S. 4dr 1992-98). The E46 4dr first came to the U.S. as a 1999 MY vehicle. The E46 replacement, due in "first quarter 2005" will likely be a 2006 MY vehicle. That's seven years in car manufacturer math." Seven years would be about the minimum for the 3 series, although it's worked for 5ers and 7ers for ages. The E36 was launched (or should I say lunched?) in late 1990 and lasted until around April 1998 (7 1/2 years); before that, the E30 was launched in March 1982 and the sedan ended production IIRC in late summer of 1990. I recall production of the last E36 sedans in South Africa (mid-98) actually overlapping with the start of E46 sedan production in Germany, further muddying the waters. E36 variant production continued with Compacts being produced right up to the end of 2000. E30s lasted an incredible 11 years - Tourings were being produced all the way up to Dec 1993, with a stock drip-feed to allow dealers to sell the cars as new until the late summer of 1994. I nearly bought one - a freshly-minted, unregistered 318i, with almost every option you could possibly specify. They were still in much demand, as the compact exec market was still smarting from 1991/1992 E36 build quality. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:11:34 -0700 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet Gary, With the recent comparo in C&D favoring the Audi S4 with the 4.2L V8 the move to a V8 for the M3 would make sense if the Audi's take any appreciable market share. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:24:41 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet Kevin wrote: >With the recent comparo in C&D favoring the Audi S4 with the 4.2L V8 the move to a V8 for the M3 would make sense if the Audi's take any appreciable market share. ________________ Indeed, Kevin is right. And in addition to the Audi S4 (and their RS line), don't forget all of the supercharged AMG cars with oodles of horsepower. With the M5 going to the V-10, as someone pointed out, having the M3 move to an 8-cylinder motor makes a lot of sense. And, keep in mind, BMW doesn't support forced induction for gasoline motors (Cooper S aside), so to get to the 400 hp level, M division really needs more displacement -- and just how much bigger will they make the inline 6 before it makes a lot more sense to stuff the corporate 4.4/4.6/5.0 liter V-8 into it? Heck, I bet there are some tuner M3s running around in Europe with the 400 hp 5.0 liter V-8 stuffed into it. Moreover, having the M3 move to a V-8 would also homologate the use of that engine for GT racing - remember that little brouhaha? vty, - --Dennis . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Not to get way-way off subject, but this reminds me of a Lincoln LS add on TV that asserts that the LS beats the 540 in various handling categories. I was incredulous about this, until a friend pointed out that the e39 5er is much older than the latest LS. With the e60 becoming available, I imagine that the 5 will regain its supremacy. It's all about timing. Jason - --- Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neil: > > Probably from the 90-deg V6 with balance shafts > instead of the 'proper' 60-deg V6. I recall running > that motor in a dyno cell and being able to tell it > was running vs another domestic V6 from just the > coarseness you describe all the way in my office at > the other end of the building. > > Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed > underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers. At > lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55 > AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories > including slalom. I was surprised until I realized > he > meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the > NEW > M5 V10 will blow it away. > > I do like the direction of the MBZ styling and that > is > pretty important to me. I think I've bought my last > BMW for some time unless I get a good deal on an M > coupe. > > Neil Deshpande > > *** > > Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The 3.2 litre V-6 just isn't up to the job. It > wheezes > and roars, but doesn't accomplish much. There's also > some coarseness to it in the important > 2500 to 3500 cruising rpm range. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:27:43 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... actually they used a plain 540 non sport compared to their 'sport' model. Also had all season tires vs the Lincoln using something better if I remember correctly. Go drive both and report back which one you think handles better, haha. The Lincoln understeers like a pig and does not feel remotely up to the level of a 540i. The chassis is decent, and I have heard various engineers claim it is quite good, the 2 models of LS I drove didn't convince me to jump ship anytime soon. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... > Not to get way-way off subject, but this reminds me of > a Lincoln LS add on TV that asserts that the LS beats > the 540 in various handling categories. I was > incredulous about this, until a friend pointed out > that the e39 5er is much older than the latest LS. > With the e60 becoming available, I imagine that the 5 > will regain its supremacy. > > It's all about timing. > > Jason > --- Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Neil: > > > > Probably from the 90-deg V6 with balance shafts > > instead of the 'proper' 60-deg V6. I recall running > > that motor in a dyno cell and being able to tell it > > was running vs another domestic V6 from just the > > coarseness you describe all the way in my office at > > the other end of the building. > > > > Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed > > underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers. At > > lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55 > > AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories > > including slalom. I was surprised until I realized > > he > > meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the > > NEW > > M5 V10 will blow it away. > > > > I do like the direction of the MBZ styling and that > > is > > pretty important to me. I think I've bought my last > > BMW for some time unless I get a good deal on an M > > coupe. > > > > Neil Deshpande > > > > *** > > > > Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The 3.2 litre V-6 just isn't up to the job. It > > wheezes > > and roars, but doesn't accomplish much. There's also > > some coarseness to it in the important > > 2500 to 3500 cruising rpm range. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:36:6 -0500 From: "M Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet Dennis wrote: > Moreover, having the M3 move to a V-8 would also homologate the use of that > engine for GT racing - remember that little brouhaha? > > vty, > > --Dennis > > Actually, no this wouldn't work as the V-8 used in the GTR was a pure racing motor made for the DTM (or whatever they call it these days) and had nothing in common with any V-8 BMW sold. The ALMS would have permitted the 540 or M5 motor, but apparently it wasn't competitive. This is what the M3's running in the Grand Am GT class are running, I believe. The P-car argument was that the basis of the 911GT3 motor was the same as the GT3 street car. The reality is that all manufacturers have pushed, or exceeded, the rule book. Mark Kittock '96 328i Sport Pkg; many mods '00 Durango '97 Contour SE (gone) '86 CRX Si (gone) '86 944 turbo (gone) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: willie yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Be safe this summer! http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1889571#post1889571 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6534 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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