[uucdigest] Wednesday, July 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6535
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Re: [uuc] Re: E55 v M5, M3 v S4, etc Re: [uuc] Tool kit for road trip - "must have" tools? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:20:41 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... A V-6 has a rotating couple imbalance whether it is a 60 deg or 90 deg block. Both have offset journal crankshafts to obtain an even firing order. In general a V-6 is smaller and lighter than in in-line 6 but the tradeoff is vibration. The best way to balance a V-6 is to add two pistons. Gary Derian > Neil: > > Probably from the 90-deg V6 with balance shafts > instead of the 'proper' 60-deg V6. I recall running > that motor in a dyno cell and being able to tell it > was running vs another domestic V6 from just the > coarseness you describe all the way in my office at > the other end of the building. > > Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed > underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers. At > lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55 > AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories > including slalom. I was surprised until I realized he > meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the NEW > M5 V10 will blow it away. > > I do like the direction of the MBZ styling and that is > pretty important to me. I think I've bought my last > BMW for some time unless I get a good deal on an M > coupe. > > Neil Deshpande > > *** > > Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The 3.2 litre V-6 just isn't up to the job. It wheezes > and roars, but doesn't accomplish much. There's also > some coarseness to it in the important > 2500 to 3500 cruising rpm range. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:21:25 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Does anyone have any info on the 2004 M3 yet Hartge has a 500 hp V-8 E46. Gary Derian > stuff the corporate 4.4/4.6/5.0 liter V-8 into it? Heck, I bet there are > some tuner M3s running around in Europe with the 400 hp 5.0 liter V-8 > stuffed into it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:27:38 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: E55 v M5, M3 v S4, etc Neil Deshpande wrote: > Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed > underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers. I was surprised to see that the RS6 is actually _lighter_ than the E55 (by ~160 lbs) in an R&T comparison I read today. at 4k+ neither one is anything approaching light tho. > at lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55 > AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories > including slalom. I was surprised until I realized he > meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the NEW > M5 V10 will blow it away. I doubt BMW will be able to extract the 500+ ft-lbs of torque that the E55 has currently from a NA V-10, no matter how many revs it spins. I do bet it will be a better overall drive tho, as the current M5 is bested by the E55 by virtue of the Merc's overwhelming pace & vastly improved manners over the prior generation. Dennis Liu wrote: > And, keep in mind, BMW doesn't support forced > induction for gasoline motors (Cooper S aside) and in their diesels. and in the rumoured ~3.5l twin-turbo V6 for the new 5'er. > and just how much bigger will they make the > inline 6 none. it has been stated that the current S54 is the absolute limit on how large BMW will make the motor. > before it makes a lot more sense to > stuff the corporate 4.4/4.6/5.0 liter V-8 into it? it already made sense for the E46 from a weight (V8 is lighter) balance (V8 is more compact, can be mounted farther back in the chassis) and driveability (more torque, less need to rev the balls off of it) but they decided that the heritage of the ///M brand needed the 6. forgetting of course that the original M3 was a 4 :-) > Heck, I bet there are some tuner M3s running around in Europe > with the 400 hp 5.0 liter V-8 stuffed into it. something of a sucker bet if you could get anyone to take it. there have been E46's with the M5 motor for sale in Europe from months after the M4 came out. I'm pretty certain you could get one here if you wanted to spend the money. Ben waiting for the M2 based on the new 1-series. or a good deal on an CPO'ed 740iS... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:37:45 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: E55 v M5, M3 v S4, etc - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: E55 v M5, M3 v S4, etc >Dennis Liu wrote: > >> And, keep in mind, BMW doesn't support forced >> induction for gasoline motors (Cooper S aside) > >and in their diesels. and in the rumoured ~3.5l >twin-turbo V6 for the new 5'er. News delivered firsthand from BMW execs at this year's NJ BMW CCA meeting at BMW NA (this sentence provided by the International Foundation for the Advancement of Capital Letters)... the 3.5TT is only a rumor. No such thing will exist. However, as there is a goodly percentage of smoke blown in these settings, I will believe the 3.5TT will not exist when I don't see it. Or something like that. >...) but they decided that the heritage of the >///M brand needed the 6. forgetting of course that the original >M3 was a 4 :-) Yes, but was not the original ///M car! Not even the second. M1, M5... let's chop off the smoothing cylinders that add all the torque, and wrap a car around the result,and call it the M3! (JUST KIDDING! I'm sort-of looking for an E30 M3, wonderful machines that they are.) >waiting for the M2 based on the new 1-series. or a good deal >on an CPO'ed 740iS... Yeah, those sure are parity items. ;-) - - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:40:43 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Classic Derian! I'm writing that one on the wall. - - Rob - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... >The best way to balance a V-6 is to add two pistons. > >Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:52:10 -0600 From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Tool kit for road trip - "must have" tools? I am going to assemble a tool kit to take on my many driving road trips this summer. Obviously it will include all the normal metric wrenches, sockets, allen keys, etc, but can anyone suggest some BMW (E36?) specific tools that could be handy on the side of the road? This box will be small (18x10x10 ?) and I don't plan to do any roadside engine rebuilds but I would like it to be somewhere complete. Thanks, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Abe Reinhartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: E55 v M5, M3 v S4, etc - --0-1237358275-1057193399=:36243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But if you check out time from 60-90 mph, the M5 is on top. Not having driven the new E55 but only quoting the rags, the M5 is still the drivers' car of the bunch, seeing as the steering on the E55 is unlinear and on the Audi RS6 (not available in Canada) is too light. ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Neil Deshpande wrote: > Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed > underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers. I was surprised to see that the RS6 is actually _lighter_ than the E55 (by ~160 lbs) in an R&T comparison I read today. at 4k+ neither one is anything approaching light tho. > at lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55 > AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories > including slalom. I was surprised until I realized he > meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the NEW > M5 V10 will blow it away. I doubt BMW will be able to extract the 500+ ft-lbs of torque that the E55 has currently from a NA V-10, no matter how many revs it spins. I do bet it will be a better overall drive tho, as the current M5 is bested by the E55 by virtue of the Merc's overwhelming pace & vastly improved manners over the prior generation. Dennis Liu wrote: > And, keep in mind, BMW doesn't support forced > induction for gasoline motors (Cooper S aside) and in their diesels. and in the rumoured ~3.5l twin-turbo V6 for the new 5'er. > and just how much bigger will they make the > inline 6 none. it has been stated that the current S54 is the absolute limit on how large BMW will make the motor. > before it makes a lot more sense to > stuff the corporate 4.4/4.6/5.0 liter V-8 into it? it already made sense for the E46 from a weight (V8 is lighter) balance (V8 is more compact, can be mounted farther back in the chassis) and driveability (more torque, less need to rev the balls off of it) but they decided that the heritage of the ///M brand needed the 6. forgetting of course that the original M3 was a 4 :-) > Heck, I bet there are some tuner M3s running around in Europe > with the 400 hp 5.0 liter V-8 stuffed into it. something of a sucker bet if you could get anyone to take it. there have been E46's with the M5 motor for sale in Europe from months after the M4 came out. I'm pretty certain you could get one here if you wanted to spend the money. Ben waiting for the M2 based on the new 1-series. or a good deal on an CPO'ed 740iS... Abe Reinhartz MD - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals - --0-1237358275-1057193399=:36243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <DIV>But if you check out time from 60-90 mph, the M5 is on top. Not having driven the new E55 but only quoting the rags, the M5 is still the drivers' car of the bunch, seeing as the steering on the E55 is unlinear and on the Audi RS6 (not available in Canada) is too light.<BR><BR><B><I>ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%">Neil Deshpande wrote:<BR><BR>> Almost all the MBZs I've driven have seemed<BR>> underpowered and heavy compared to Bimmers.<BR><BR>I was surprised to see that the RS6 is actually<BR>_lighter_ than the E55 (by ~160 lbs) in an R&T<BR>comparison I read today. at 4k+ neither one<BR>is anything approaching light tho.<BR><BR>> at lunchtime today a friend was telling me that the E55<BR>> AMG would blow away the M5 is _all_ categories<BR>> including slalom. I was surprised until I realized he<BR>> meant the NEW E55, not the last gen. I expect the NEW<BR>> M5 V10 will blow it away.<BR><BR>I doubt BMW will be able to extract the 500+ ft-lbs of<BR>torque that the E55 has currently from a NA V-10, no<BR>matter how many revs it spins. I do bet it will be a better<BR>overall drive tho, as the current M5 is bested by the E55<BR>by virtue of the Merc's overwhelming p! ace & vastly<BR>improved manners over the prior generation.<BR><BR>Dennis Liu wrote:<BR><BR>> And, keep in mind, BMW doesn't support forced<BR>> induction for gasoline motors (Cooper S aside)<BR><BR>and in their diesels. and in the rumoured ~3.5l<BR>twin-turbo V6 for the new 5'er.<BR><BR>> and just how much bigger will they make the<BR>> inline 6<BR><BR>none. it has been stated that the current S54 is the<BR>absolute limit on how large BMW will make the motor.<BR><BR>> before it makes a lot more sense to<BR>> stuff the corporate 4.4/4.6/5.0 liter V-8 into it?<BR><BR>it already made sense for the E46 from a weight (V8 is lighter)<BR>balance (V8 is more compact, can be mounted farther back<BR>in the chassis) and driveability (more torque, less need to rev<BR>the balls off of it) but they decided that the heritage of the<BR>///M brand needed the 6. forgetting of course that the original<BR>M3 was a 4 :-)<BR><BR>> Heck, I bet there are some tuner M3s running arou! nd in Europe<BR>> with the 400 hp 5.0 liter V-8 stuffed into it.<BR><BR>something of a sucker bet if you could get anyone to take it.<BR>there have been E46's with the M5 motor for sale in Europe<BR>from months after the M4 came out. I'm pretty certain you could<BR>get one here if you wanted to spend the money.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ben<BR>waiting for the M2 based on the new 1-series. or a good deal<BR>on an CPO'ed 740iS...<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><EM>Abe Reinhartz MD</EM></FONT></P><p><br><hr size=1>Post your free ad now! <a href="http://ca.personals.yahoo.com/";><b>Yahoo! Canada Personals</b></a><br> - --0-1237358275-1057193399=:36243-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:48:58 -0500 From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Tool kit for road trip - "must have" tools? ...lots of 8mm and 10mm wrenches (of all descriptions) plus a few 13mm wrenches. Also throw in a can of WD40. That should do it. <g> Best, Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6535 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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