[uucdigest] Thursday, July 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6556
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New x5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:45:32 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: dealer surveys - was RE: [uuc] X5 won us over in the end. KMS - Brett Anderson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I should add to this..... > >> When all is said and done, the survey is how the dealer gets feedback, and >> you really should fill it out honestly. > > The survey does not strictly refer to the immediate moment that you > purchased the vehicle. If you had a problem, and the problem was solved, or > if you had an issue, and it was addressed, then the survey should reflect > the outcome, not the initial contact. Close. The survey should reflect the EXPERIENCE, not just the outcome. Just because they eventually fix the problem doesn't mean they can abuse you in the process. - - Mark, very tired of being treated poorly at the local dealers and then begged for "Excellent" answers on the survey - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: dealer surveys - was RE: [uuc] X5 won us over in the end. Mike: The US if full of people who either directly or through their ancestors voted against even their countries of birth with their feet ... including me. A car dealer is a MUCH smaller matter! If all the car dealerships in town closed down it would be no big deal to me since the new Bimmers aren't the eye candy for browsing that they used to be now. Might make Peachtree Industrial a nice street to live on even! <grin>. Talking of VW experiences ... I went to Dwight Harrison, Snellville, GA (not the dealer at which Mike and I had the bad experience with the salesman actually insulting us within earshot to some other salespersons) to get some keys coded for my Porsche (Yep, directed there by the Porsche dealer!) and they not only spent a bunch of time with me and keyed the locks to my key, but did it for FREE and gave me an old cylinder with extra tumblers in it! I could not believe it so I left them my business card to show to the person who actually keyed the lock and wrote "Please call me as I was not charged for this, perhaps because you were not there to determine the correct amount," and there was still no charge. I know where I'll be buying any VWs that I decide to buy new. Neil Deshpande *** "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It amazes me that the dealerships even manage to stay in business using such practices and people tolerate and BUY from these guys. Totally amazing. I would love to know how the public in general became duped by car dealerships into thinking that the 2nd largest purchase one usually makes in life, needed to be done on the first visit, in less than an hour, that day. I really wonder who was the first idiot to get talked into a car that easily so the dealerships learned to be high pressure, close now type places? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:26:16 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: I disagree with Neil here. His point is "be nice if you want good service". Did you ever hear that "squeaky wheel get's the most oil" phrase? It's been my experience that if you bend over and take it, you'll continue to do so. If you give them an initial bad response on the survey, they will pay extra attention to you next time, to get a better result. Now, if you continue to write them off in the survey's, they'll drop you real quick, but if you're fair, they'll react appropriately, usually. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Deshpande > If you survey is anonymous, be honest. If it is not, > do what will get you the best service down the line. > Based on what I know of car dealerships, I would take > that tack. When I was consulting, we got surveys back > from our customers and I always appreciated the > negative comments and such as they were constructive. > However, not all engineers were like that and I > imagine even fewer car salesmen are. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:46:00 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Overheated e36 on 7/9/03 9:41 PM, "Rick Cardinal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My '95M3 67k miles, had it two months, overheated on the way home today. > My ex-wife had several such failures in her '93 325i. > My turn. I didn't notice the gauge all the way over, it's blocked my the > wheel, until I had been on the highway for about 5 minutes. I pulled > over, coolant was leaking/spraying thru the cap. Fan running, both hoses > hot, so I assume the thermostat is not stuck closed. > I let it sit for about an hour, (AAA said two hours to get a truck- rush > hour Atlanta). When the gauge was back to 12 o'clock, I topped up the > overflow to a little over the cold mark with water. > Then I slowly got back on the highway to see how far I could get. Not > far, within a minute, the temp went right back up again. It took me > another two minutes or so to find a place to pull over, and right as I > did, I heard a pop and I killed the motor. The driver's side radiator > POS plastic hose connector broke. > > So, some advice folks. Hopefully I don't have any head damage, I realize > it's a possibility. Yes, unfortunately it is a possibility, although it may take some while to show up. > But what do you guys think caused this? The famous POS water pumps they > put in these? I don't know if it has the newer style or not. But the > mileage is right where this crap starts. Almost certainly that's it. Your 95 definitely started life with the old plastic impeller pump design (used until about 6/96 production). > So do I try to fix the radiator, or just get a new one? Damn thing looks > new. It can't be fixed. The plastic gets brittle with age, and the overheating finished it off for you. Shop around for a new one. Bimmerworld.com has them for $169, and $49 for the water pump. They're in Virginia, which is 2 day ground shipping for you. Put a new thermostat in while you're at it, and consider replacing the plastic thermostat housing with the metal version, maybe $30. Check and replace the belts if necessary too. All this stuff is easy to replace yourself. Only special tool needed is a skinny 32mm bike wrench for the left-hand threaded fan clutch nut. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:00:32 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: shop charges/ Are they a local chapter advertiser? on 7/9/03 4:29 PM, jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember the $600. adjustable fuel pressure regulator back in the eighties > that was advertised in the Roundel? I wrote to the editor about the Roundel > accepting such an ad that made unjustified claims, and was no more effective > than a standard $40. part made by Bosch. The arrogant reply I received > included a statement that the Roundel will take an ad for a $600. spark plug > too, if a company was paying for the advertising space. It's impossible for a publication to regulate its ads as you suggest. Where would they start, or stop? Yes, some claims or prices may seem more egregious than others, but there's no way to control that. The only publications that have figured out how" to deal with this issue cleanly are those such as "Consumer Reports" or "Cook's Illustrated" which accept no advertising. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:59:03 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Dyno Results for M50 2.5 Here are my results, very similar...the test was done by previous owner. This is with free-flow exhaust K&N cone intake - no heat shield installed then Dinan Chip Testing was done in Mt. Airy, MD 6/25/2001, 87.5F, no humidity info given. 160 rwhp at 6200 rpm -> 11.9 A/F 143 rwtq at 5400 rpm -> 12.9 A/F Would the difference of ambient temp. of nearly 33F and heat shield make that much difference? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 1993 325is with 98,000 miles on it did the following last November prior to installing my "under development" twin-screw supercharger kit: 171.6 rwhp at 6000 rpm 157.5 rwtq at 4750 rpm This was with a UUC exhaust (the single silencer model), K&N cone intake with homemade heat shield, and a racing dynamics (autothority) chip. Testing was done on the Mustang Dyno at Cyntex in West Chester,PA. Ambient temp was around 55F with 90+ % humidity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:59:48 -0400 From: "Binder, Larry - Spine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] X5 won us over in the end. The X5 is really for my wife. Although part of the deal was that I would get it at least once a week. She will probably put 7k on it a year (she works part time). With a 12K lease we should be OK. We may use it for Pocono/beach trips too. It's 20 cents per mile over. If it gets really high (and we like the X5)we'll just buy it out. Larry - -----Original Message----- From: Jason Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] X5 won us over in the end. I don't recall you saying how many miles are built into the deal. If you drive 15k / year, and it is a 12k mpy, you may have a surprise at lease termination. Jason - --- "Binder, Larry - Spine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This afternoon we are picking up our new car. Are > there any last minute > things that I should look/ask for before we sign the > papers? > > Larry > 2003 X5 3.0 > 2001 Volvo S40 > Steel Gray/Black Prem,CW,Climate,PDC,Htd SW,Xenon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:32:22 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 That's what I was thinking. I was thinking they might be bringing down more than $28k. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Wynne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > That does not matter at all - you WANT the residual to be > real high, so > your payments are low. At lease end, he can negotiate a lower > buyout price > if he wants to keep the X5. If the price is fair, then buy it > - otherwise > walk away. It can be another way to get an additional > discount on a BMW :-) > > He may only get $2k off MSRP now, but in 3 years if they have > not held value > they may offer it to him for several more thousand off. > > Dennis > 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd > > At 01:39 PM 07/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Congrats Larry, > > > >Glad you managed to find someone to help you into the car > your wife (& I > >suspect you too) wanted. > > > >$28,500 for a 3 year old X5......did you check what the > current 3 yr olds > >are going for. C'mon bully the dealer down on the lease. :) > > > >Lee > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Binder, Larry - Spine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:13 AM > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > Subject: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > > > > > > > We've decided on an X5 3.0, Prem,CW,Climate,PDC,Xenon,Heated > > > Steering Wheel, > > > Steel Gray w/black. $46,070 > > > The lease will be $504 per month, %60 Residual, %2.4 finance > > > rate 36 months > > > $3,500 down+fees ($5000 total Out of pocket -$1000 CCA > Rebate) $28,500 > > > buyout at lease end. We pick it up today at 3:00. It is > from a local > > > dealer, West German BMW in Fort Washington, PA. How does > > > this deal sound? > > > I am getting 2k off MSRP. > > > > > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:51:19 -0400 From: "Binder, Larry - Spine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 YMMV but where I live, I see 3 year old X5's (2001) selling for mid 30's at least (I was also considering a used one). But Lee and Dennis are right (as my salesman also pointed out) you can always negotiate this price later. Larry - -----Original Message----- From: Robinson, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:32 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 That's what I was thinking. I was thinking they might be bringing down more than $28k. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Wynne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > That does not matter at all - you WANT the residual to be > real high, so > your payments are low. At lease end, he can negotiate a lower > buyout price > if he wants to keep the X5. If the price is fair, then buy it > - otherwise > walk away. It can be another way to get an additional > discount on a BMW :-) > > He may only get $2k off MSRP now, but in 3 years if they have > not held value > they may offer it to him for several more thousand off. > > Dennis > 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd > > At 01:39 PM 07/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Congrats Larry, > > > >Glad you managed to find someone to help you into the car > your wife (& I > >suspect you too) wanted. > > > >$28,500 for a 3 year old X5......did you check what the > current 3 yr olds > >are going for. C'mon bully the dealer down on the lease. :) > > > >Lee > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Binder, Larry - Spine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:13 AM > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > Subject: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > > > > > > > We've decided on an X5 3.0, Prem,CW,Climate,PDC,Xenon,Heated > > > Steering Wheel, Steel Gray w/black. $46,070 > > > The lease will be $504 per month, %60 Residual, %2.4 finance > > > rate 36 months > > > $3,500 down+fees ($5000 total Out of pocket -$1000 CCA > Rebate) $28,500 > > > buyout at lease end. We pick it up today at 3:00. It is > from a local > > > dealer, West German BMW in Fort Washington, PA. How does this > > > deal sound? I am getting 2k off MSRP. > > > > > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6556 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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