[uucdigest] Thursday, July 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6557
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RE: [uuc] <E36> 1998 M3 Sedan for sale RE: [uuc] FX45/35 vs X5, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: dealer surveys - was RE: [uuc] X5 won us over in the end. Speaking of being treated poorly then asked for a good report card, when we bought our last truck, the salesman said, "Fill out the survey with all high marks, bring it back, and I'll buy you a tank of gas (diesel)." So, my wife is at the dealership getting parts a month later, gives the guy the survey, and says let's go get that tank of gas. Here's the quick back and forth: "Oh, the dealership doesn't do that anymore." "I thought you were buying it." "No, the dealership, and they stopped that." "I don't care, you said you'd give me a tank of gas." "So you want me to pay out of my own pocket." "Yes." "I don't have any cash." "They take credit cards." "I don't have my wallet, it's inside." "I'll wait while you get it." "Are you serious?" "Yes." He goes inside, comes back, and says: "I can't go right now, I'm busy. Didn't you get a really good deal on that truck anyway?" "Yes, we got a great deal, but you promised me a tank of gas for the form, and I want you to buy it." "I'm busy right now." My wife was not pleased, and had schemes for payback. Of course, this episode isn't stopping her from trying to get sponsorship for the racecar from them. Jason - --- Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Mark, very tired of being treated poorly at the > local dealers and then > begged for "Excellent" answers on the survey > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:30:48 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Skopp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E36> 1998 M3 Sedan for sale Hey Rosario, how's it going? I got your phone message. I've got no real reason to get rid of her, just was thinking about that it's time for a change. I might consider a trade. How many mile are on the M5 these days? Tell me what you're thinking cash wise. Andrew E. Skopp Gallagher Evelius & Jones LLP 218 North Charles Street, 4th Floor Baltimore, Maryland 21201 Telephone: (410) 347-1365 Facsimile: (410) 468-2786 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message is ATTORNEY PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended ONLY for the use of the individual or entity named herein. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone at (410)727-7702 and return the original message by reply email. Thank you for your cooperation. - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> 1998 M3 Sedan for sale Andrew: Do you miss the M5? Want to trade with some cash? Rosario - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew E. Skopp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: [uuc] <E36> 1998 M3 Sedan for sale > After much deliberation, I have decided to sell my 1998 M3 sedan. Here are the specifics: > > * Silver with black leather interior > * Approx. 83,xxx miles, CPO'd until 100,000 or June 2004, whichever comes first. > * 5 speed transmission. > * All available options, except fold down rear seats, including Harmon Kardon, heated seats, power seats, keyless alarm, OBC, sunroof, cd changer. > > I have made the following "improvements" during my ownership: > > * Bilstein sport shocks at all corners. > * UUC shortshift kit. > * VDO gauge package in center console (oil temp, oil press, voltmeter). > * Dinan engine compartment strut brace. > * Jim C sharked software. > * Jim C cold air intake. > * Turner Motorsports underdrive pulley set. > * 17 by 8.5 contour rims at all four corners (got rid of staggered setup, so all tires are 245/40-17). > * Euro clear tail lights, front markers, and sides. > * Euro ellipsoid glass headlights with angel eyes. > * Upgraded BMW radio headunit (replaced C33 unit with C43 unit). > * A/D/S tweeters and mids in front doors. > * Luxury wood package installed (center console, rear ashtray, trim piece on glove compartment, front door handles (have rears, not installed yet)). > * Rear factory spoiler. > * Brand new factory three spoke steering wheel with airbag (replaced four spoke one) . > * AC Schnitzer pedal set. > > The car is mechanically excellent, and having the CPO warranty is very assuring. Cosmetically, it's very clean, but is not in concours condition. This is primarily due to two things: it has a two or three stone chips/dings, and sometime during the first owner's watch (i.e. before it was CPO'd), it was in an accident on passenger side. Both doors were replaced, and that side, top, and rear were repainted. Not a bad job, but not concours perfect, rear lower valence has some paint flecking off. Title is clean and lien free. Asking $23,900. Pictures available upon request. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks much. > > Andrew E. Skopp > Baltimore, Maryland 21201 > > Telephone: (410) 347-1365 > Cell: (410) 299-6884 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:52:20 -0400 From: "John Weese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Any Experience with TSW Wheels My son has run Hockenheims (16" x 7" or 7.5") for several years on his lowered E30 with absolutely no problems...very nice wheels for a 100mm 4 bolt pattern wheel. They "ARE" heavy however. We haven't had any problems with "bending" or such. John Weese BMW CCA # 76646 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:52:28 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 Larry, The idea is that if the price of a 3 yr old 36k X5 is $35k & not $28.5k you're paying more depreciation than you're actually using. However, if the asking prices you see are in the mid $30's than the wholesale may be near $28.5k. You should find out. Even if you can negotiate another $1000 up on the residual, you'll lower your payments. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Binder, Larry - Spine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:51 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > YMMV but where I live, I see 3 year old X5's (2001) selling > for mid 30's at > least (I was also considering a used one). But Lee and > Dennis are right (as > my salesman also pointed out) you can always negotiate this > price later. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robinson, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:32 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > That's what I was thinking. I was thinking they might be > bringing down more > than $28k. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Wynne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:45 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > > > > That does not matter at all - you WANT the residual to be > > real high, so > > your payments are low. At lease end, he can negotiate a lower > > buyout price > > if he wants to keep the X5. If the price is fair, then buy it > > - otherwise > > walk away. It can be another way to get an additional > > discount on a BMW :-) > > > > He may only get $2k off MSRP now, but in 3 years if they have > > not held value > > they may offer it to him for several more thousand off. > > > > Dennis > > 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd > > > > At 01:39 PM 07/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Congrats Larry, > > > > > >Glad you managed to find someone to help you into the car > > your wife (& I > > >suspect you too) wanted. > > > > > >$28,500 for a 3 year old X5......did you check what the > > current 3 yr olds > > >are going for. C'mon bully the dealer down on the lease. :) > > > > > >Lee > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Binder, Larry - Spine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:13 AM > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > Subject: [uuc] Does anyone have a BMWCCA phone number? New x5 > > > > > > > > > > > > We've decided on an X5 3.0, Prem,CW,Climate,PDC,Xenon,Heated > > > > Steering Wheel, Steel Gray w/black. $46,070 > > > > The lease will be $504 per month, %60 Residual, %2.4 finance > > > > rate 36 months > > > > $3,500 down+fees ($5000 total Out of pocket -$1000 CCA > > Rebate) $28,500 > > > > buyout at lease end. We pick it up today at 3:00. It is > > from a local > > > > dealer, West German BMW in Fort Washington, PA. How does this > > > > deal sound? I am getting 2k off MSRP. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:56:00 -0500 From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] New Shell Gasoline Have you guys heard the marketing campaign from Shell about how their petrol can reduce friction and increase gas mileage? What's up with this? What additive can they include in an unleaded gasoline that will reduce friction but not increase particulates? And if they indeed have such a clean burning friction reducer, what would the slipperiness benefit? Rings? What could "coat" the cylinder walls reducing friction that wouldn't through off the exhaust makeup at the tailpipe? I would come closer to believing a "more potent" gasoline that contains more heat potential, increasing horsepower or decreasing consumption. What else -- valve seats? Fuel pump? Injectors? Confused in Oil Country Robert Blakeney Houston _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:04:09 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Any experience with TSW wheels? Thanks to everyone who responded on the TSW wheels. The feedback that I got was very helpful. Besides a couple of bad experiences, most of the replies were OK and majority agree that the wheels are somewhat heavy, but of decent quality. - -Nick Somma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:02:57 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Skopp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E36> 1998 M3 Sedan for sale Whoops, that was meant for off line. My apologies Andrew E. Skopp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:14:27 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] FX45/35 vs X5, etc. Mike, I believe the FX & Murano are 2 different vehicles. The FX is on the G35/Z/Skyline cahssis & the Murano is on one of Nissan's FWD platforms. I know from my past ownership that Infiniti is a good service oriented company. The likes of BMW don't even hold a candle. And they make good cars. My mom was actually looking to work at the Infiniti dealer in Mobile, but didn't have enough product knowledge (& prolly that she's a 62 yr old lady didn't help). They really focus on their people being enthusiastic about the products. Like Audi, their people get driver training in the cars for the express purpose of demonstration. Anyhow, I find it good that the salesman had such confidence in his vehicle that he was willing to let you (especially you ;-P) drive it to the BMW to compare side by side. That's really over & above the call of duty. You think a guy at a BMW would let you drive anywhere & do a side-by-side??? When I've been to BMW dealer before, they seemed like they couldn't even be bothered. I was allowed to completely thrash a G35 sport coupe with the nannies off for about 35 minutes. Getting a 5 minute test loop of a USED 328i was a real pain.....like it's a special car or something. Does this make the Infiniti a better car? No, but 95% of drivers will never really notice the driving dynamics between the 2 (FWIW, the G35 was worlds ahead of the last 330Ci I drove--I've driven it since you mentioned about the twitchy rear & found it not to be true, maybe yours was broken). What they do notice is how they are treated. BMW still has the luxury of literally being able to sell cars without sales people (as evidenced by Larry--they wanted one so bad they put up with that crap), while Infiniti is the relative newcomer & the parent company is just coming out of serious financial problems. I'm seeing a lot more FX's, G35s, etc on the road......excellent products & good service may be paying off. I also had a pretty good guy at the Nissan dealer--same attitude. Told him I was looking. Went flying in a SpecV. He was pretty impressed, "no one's driven one of these like that before." Said "call me if you want to buy, even if not....I want to go for a ride with you in a Z." 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