[uucdigest] Tuesday, July 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6591
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(Was E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain) Re: [uuc] E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain Re: [uuc] E36 engine transplant project Re: [uuc] E36 engine transplant project Re: [uuc] oops on carfax request RE: [uuc] E46 330iPP - 1200 Mile Fluid Flush RE: [uuc] E36 engine transplant project RE: [uuc] Carfax Re: [uuc] E28 Springs (Was E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain) Re: [uuc] Carfax ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain Hey now, an M535i is more than just the steering wheel! It's also got the heavier-than-stock body kit! :-) A friend of mine has a pristine M535i, and I always tell him that his car is nothing more than a tarted up Euro 535i. Brad Couvillon '85 Euro 535i <-- dressed down M535i? :-) www.fatdaddybmw.com - --- Eurowerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He goes on to say that the M535i's is nothing more > than a plain old 535i > with a nifty color plate on the steering wheel, oh, > almost forgot about > those no-impact look alike bumpers. > :) > > Kirk A. Gilchrist > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and > Repair > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / > 859-745-0125 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] What's an M? (Was E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain) - --- Andrew Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oddly enough, BMW itself has done both. In 1981 > they cooked up the E12 > M535i. It was the first volume M-car (thus I neatly > sidestep the 1980 M1), > although by the standards of the day 218 bhp in car > weighing not very much > at all was certainly true to the M recipe, if not M > cylinder head design in > particular. E30 fans will remember that BMW did the > reverse in 1988 by > installing a destroked E30 M3 engine into a standard > Italian-market E30 > bodyshell, and calling it a 320is. They did the M535i in the e28, too. I think if you're going for a flamboyant e28, the Euro M-Technik kit is great. Otherwise, I say stick with the stock Euro bumpers. I'm going to run coilovers and staggered 16" wheels on my 535i. No spoilers. I've seen a picture of a similar e28, and the thing just looks KILLER. Anyway. . . > Question is, by BMW's standards what defines the > M-factor? An E34 520i has > more M-factor than an E46 sedan, as the E34 M5 > shared its production-line > bodyshell and drivetrain configuration (five speeds, > six cylinders) whereas > an E46 four-door M will never see the light of day > outside BMW's doors. I > would consider shoehorning an M engine into an E46 > sedan to be more > sacrilegous than doing the same to an E34 touring, > for example. > > Andy T This is a good question. *By BMW's standard. . ." is a good qualifier. If we just asked what an M car was, some people would say individual throttle bodies while others would say an M badge from the factory while even others would say an S engine. The naysayers would say that means the US e36 M3 isn't an M car because it doesn't have individual throttle bodies, that any ol' BMW that the original owner requested M badges would be an M car by standard #2, and that both the e28 M535i and the e34 540i M-Sport are non-M cars because of their lack of an S engine (even though that's pretty much the ONLY thing the Canadian M-Sport has that the e34 M5 does). You just can't please anybody these days! :-) Brad Couvillon <-- doesn't care what an M car is as long as it's fun to drive, dammit '85 Euro 535i <-- no M badges anywhere and staying that way www.fatdaddybmw.com <-- plenty of Ms in the gallery __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:21:38 -0400 From: Edwin stanton MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain The mass over the front axles are about the same . . . the US 535i being at least two railroad tie bumpers heavier. Brad Couvillon wrote: >This reminds me of what I found on the ETK the other >day: > >The front and rear springs on my Euro 535i are the >same exact part number as my old '87 528e. The US >535i are different. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:09:47 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 engine transplant project See my other note. A long engine is a long way from complete. Gary Derian > I had heard rumors about the price drop but I did not > want to contribute to it. So does that mean the price > of the S50B30 or S50B32 is significantly cheaper now? > > If that is true, the swap does not seem too bad. At > least the electronics had been proven and tested. > > --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A new S54 long engine is only in the mid $3000 range > > these days. High > > volume for replacements has brought down the price. > > > > Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:07:21 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 engine transplant project You really need an E46 M3 donor car for all the fiddly bits. Not to mention manifolds, wiring, and other not so fiddly bits. Gary Derian > >A new S54 long engine is only in the mid $3000 range these days. High > >volume for replacements has brought down the price. > > It's too bad the infinitely variable dual vanos is so hard to deal with. > Swapping in a drive by wire system wouldn't be easy either... Do able, > just not easy. > > -kit > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:23:31 -0700 From: "Joe Elwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] oops on carfax request No worries Mike - but we're all wondering if Kirk charged you the $1.00 :-) Joe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hsu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] oops on carfax request > > Sorry group. My last email was suppose to be only for > kirk. > > Mike > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:35:31 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E46 330iPP - 1200 Mile Fluid Flush The E46 will be fine with the same Redline fluids. Technically, you can run 75W90NS in the diff, as you've yet to purchase a limited slip diff from me...... ;-) Your 328i oil filters are the same as your new 330i, and there's no reason why you should, or should not, use the BMW <Castrol> synthetic. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Guagenti > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] E46 330iPP - 1200 Mile Fluid Flush > > > My new 330iPP is finally out of it's break-in period and, despite BMW's > recommendation that a fluid flush is _not_ needed, I want to flush engine, > tranny, and diff oils. Seems like a smart way to protect my new > car, even if > BMW's free maintenance won't pay for it. > > Anyone have recommendations as to what fluids to use in the E46? In my E36 > I've been running Redline ATF in the tranny and Redline 75W90 in the diff. > Will the E46 be alright with the same? Anyone know capacities for each? > > For engine oil, I plan on running the factory-recommended Castrol > Synthetic > 5W40. Any reason not to? I have a bunch of Mann oil filters for > the E36 328i > laying around -- will they work in the new car (the filter > housings look the > same)? > > Any recommendations would be appreciated. Once the fluids are flushed, the > car will be getting dyno'ed. And I'll probably pull out the ol' G-tech > Competition to see what kind of 0-60, lateral G's, and braking > distance the > car can pull. I want a baseline before I start the usual parade of > aftermarket goodies. ;-) > > -peterg > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:40:55 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 engine transplant project Agreed. Buying a BMW long block is NOT the way to do a conversion. You can count on, at least, doubling the cost by the time you buy all the extra stuff. If you're EVER considering an engine conversion, either find a wreck, or contact Jason at www.zionsvilleautosport.com . You need to get EVERYTHING that's related to the conversion, or your budget is out the window. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:07 PM > You really need an E46 M3 donor car for all the fiddly bits. Not > to mention > manifolds, wiring, and other not so fiddly bits. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:46:47 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Carfax Thing about it Mike. How would one pay the $1? If by credit card, then Kurt would get about 97 cents. He'd then have to pay someone about $4 in wages to take the call, get the payment info and process the card. Do you really think he's that stupid? By putting a price on the offer, he stops the idiots <yes, there are plenty on this list> from bugging him with 132 VINs. I, for example, have over 5000 VINs that I want to run through carfax. That'd be rather expensive, even at $1 a shot..... Anyone that actually takes him up on his offer, I'm sure, will find that it's actually free. Oh, and your comment on "giving back to the list" doesn't quite work here, as Kurt only ever asks supurfluous questions on this list. As a BMW repair professional, he answers far more questions than he can ever think up to ask. Hence, he's already giving back to the list just by bothering to read it. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence > That's a nice offer, but to be honest, there are many people who > will email > someone a carfax report for free when they ask. That practice has been > going on since carfax started. Charging $1 will likely result > in about uh > 0 requests when it can be had for free. Most people feel it is a way to > give back to the same source they have saved money with, answered > questions, > advice etc from the list. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E28 Springs (Was E28 535iS- installing an M5 engine/drivetrain) Ed, That makes sense. . . For Euro 535i, these front springs came on cars with: * Bilsteins, no AC, auto tranny * Bilsteins, Official vehicles, no AC, manual tranny * Bilsteins, AC, manual tranny For US 533i, these frong springs came on cars with: * Bilsteins and auto tranny * AC and manual tranny They came on all later US 528e's They also came on Euro 520i's with AC and auto trannies. The part number I'm talking about is: 31 33 1 126 904 It came on other cars (some Euro e24s, etc), but the ones I listed were the most interesting. :-) Brad Couvillon <-- master of free time '85 Euro 535i www.fatdaddybmw.com - --- Edwin stanton MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The mass over the front axles are about the same . . > . the US 535i being > at least two railroad tie bumpers heavier. > > Brad Couvillon wrote: > > >This reminds me of what I found on the ETK the > other > >day: > > > >The front and rear springs on my Euro 535i are the > >same exact part number as my old '87 528e. The US > >535i are different. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:28:44 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Carfax Brett, no kidding, I assumed as much lol. There are only just a handful of folks on here that would actually charge $1. I meant to imply and didn't, that it works best to offer help after someone asks, not open the door for idiots with a $1 filter trying to stop them. And you should have asked about running those vins last month. I would have sent you the password for my carfax account so you could have knocked yourself out. They say unlimited, I would love to see how many before they wanted to charge for a commercial account. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [uuc] Carfax > Thing about it Mike. > > How would one pay the $1? > > If by credit card, then Kurt would get about 97 cents. He'd then have to > pay someone about $4 in wages to take the call, get the payment info and > process the card. > > Do you really think he's that stupid? > > By putting a price on the offer, he stops the idiots <yes, there are plenty > on this list> from bugging him with 132 VINs. I, for example, have over > 5000 VINs that I want to run through carfax. That'd be rather expensive, > even at $1 a shot..... > > Anyone that actually takes him up on his offer, I'm sure, will find that > it's actually free. > > Oh, and your comment on "giving back to the list" doesn't quite work here, > as Kurt only ever asks supurfluous questions on this list. As a BMW repair > professional, he answers far more questions than he can ever think up to > ask. Hence, he's already giving back to the list just by bothering to read > it. > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence > > That's a nice offer, but to be honest, there are many people who > > will email > > someone a carfax report for free when they ask. That practice has been > > going on since carfax started. Charging $1 will likely result > > in about uh > > 0 requests when it can be had for free. Most people feel it is a way to > > give back to the same source they have saved money with, answered > > questions, > > advice etc from the list. > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6591 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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