[uucdigest] Wednesday, August 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6630
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(slightly OT) Re: [uuc] Tire Poll ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:30:20 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Backlash in Diff gears One trick I've used is to set up the gear side carrier bearing to achieve zero backlash, then preload the opposite side 0.010 and the backlash is magically correct. Gary Derian > >I am sure the good guys who set them up often can do it by feel..it ain't > an exact science. > >David A. Leonard > > Not this little black duck! > > You can't feel the difference between .05mm and .15mm backlash just by hand, > yet one is too tight and one is too loose, for a BMW diff. > > Must use a dial indicator on a strong base. I use the factory base setup, > which is not magnetic, it screws into the case bolt holes for stability. > > Brett Anderson > KMS > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:53:54 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Tire Poll "Gaudio, Stefano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pilots seem to last longer than S03s > S03s are probably the best rain tire $$$ can buy Pilots are exceptionally good in the rain as well. Also quiet and sticky all the way to the wear bars. S03s are great in the rain, get stickier as they wear (Bridgestone's multi-layer compound trick) but tend to tramline a lot. > Kumho MX had great reviews and will be my next set. Things you should know about MXs (I've had them for ~5K miles): - - they wear like crazy. Expect 6-10K miles out of them. - - the closest to E36 stock size they come in is 245/40-17. A bit too wide and too tall, require at least 17x8 wheels. - - they are wider than the size would suggest and tend to rub in the back. - - they are not quiet to begin with and get progressively louder as they wear. alex f > >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:46:04 -0700 (PDT) > >From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >I would go for the Pilots out of the list posted. Why > >no S03 or Kuhmo MX? > > >Kevin Kelly > > Stefano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Tire Poll Guido wrote: "Pilots seem to last longer than S03s S03s are probably the best rain tire $$$ can buy Kumho MX had great reviews and will be my next set." I have had the S03's on my M5 for about 12-13k miles and it looks like I will get 20k out of them. Do you get much more than that with Pilots? I had heard of people getting anywhere from 13k-20k on both Pilots and S03's so I guess it depends on the car and driver. However, for the price difference ($50/tire when I bought mine) the S03 is hard to beat. I use RA1's on the track but I have seen newer S03's chunk on the outer edge under track use. In contrast, a friend had Pilot Sports on his E30 M3 and they handled track use extremely well. Maybe Ferrari chose the wrong tire, he, he, he,... Kevin Kelly '91 M5 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:44:56 -0700 From: "tony colicchio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: E36 seat mount measurement specs Well, I went out and measured two more cars. Yesterdays car was a racecar and the mounts may have been bent a little. Below are todays cars: 1993 325 Front-to back 14 1/16" Left-to right 17 7/16" 1996 M3 Front-to-back 14" Left-to-right 17 3/4" What does all this mean, go measure YOUR car if you want it to be exact, because the stock mounts have too much inconsistency. - -Tony C TC Design www.tcdesignfab.com - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Maller Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: E36 seat mount measurement specs on 8/5/03 6:50 PM, "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have any exact specifications on the > dimensions of the E36 coupe seat mounting bolts, i.e., > front bolt to rear bolt, left bolt to right bolt? on 8/5/03 6:50 PM, "tony colicchio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Front-to-rear 14" > Left-to-right 18" > > - -Tony > TC Design > www.tcdesignfab.com Earlier today I happened to have measured the latter dimension on my 96 M3 as 17 3/4". I just rechecked, and it's still 17 3/4", accurate to within about 1/16". YMMV, blahblah. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:47:18 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Tire Poll At 10:53 AM 8/6/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >"Gaudio, Stefano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pilots seem to last longer than S03s > > S03s are probably the best rain tire $$$ can buy > >Pilots are exceptionally good in the rain as well. Also quiet and sticky >all the way to the wear bars. >S03s are great in the rain, get stickier as they wear (Bridgestone's >multi-layer compound trick) but tend to tramline a lot. Tire impressions and experiences are always so subjective, much like exhausts. Alex thinks the Pilots are "exceptionally good in the rain", while my experience is they are one of the poorest tires I have ever driven in the rain. I would rank them barely above the original Pilot MXX3's on my E36 M3. I guess my experience with running multiple sets of Bridestone S-02 Pole Positions on our two M3's, has raised my expectations for tires in the dry and especially in the rain to a level that no tire company has equaled yet. - -- Rex Tener [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:26:37 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] How does one negotiate... (slightly OT) on the purchase of a lease return? A good friend of mine lease an Audi A6 4.2 three years ago, and the lease expires in a month. It needs probably $1k worth of cosmetic work to return it. The residual value is about $5k above the wholesale value of the car. Thus, theoretically, he could just pay the $1k, return the car, then buy the same car and save some money. Audi Leasing has to know this, so I presume that they should be willing to negotiat the buy-back price; they can make a few bucks more than if they had to wholesale it. So, my question - is a negotiation of the lease-end purchase price common? If so, is it done with the dealer, or does he have to negotiate with Audi Leasing? Any advice would be appreciated. vty, - --Dennis (buys all his cars with cash) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:35:31 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: E36 seat mount measurement specs >What does all this mean, go measure YOUR car if you want it to be exact, >because the stock mounts have too much inconsistency. The beauty of the clearance hole. Make the hole big enough and it'll fit. :-) - -Carlos. (seat designer) 91 M3 88 iS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:43:25 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] How does one negotiate... (slightly OT) I will let you know about BMW in a few months :-) With my 'vette lease bank they would not come off the price at all - even though I told them the residual was too high. They did offer cheap financing for the buy-out, however. When it got down to the last week or two before turn in and I assured them I was turning the car in, THEN they dropped the price. First $1000 off, then $1500, and finally $2500 off. The guy I worked with was nice, but he was on commission. If he got me to take the car at full price he gets a nice bonus. Having to drop the price cut out or eliminated his commission - that is why he waited until too late to drop it. Now this is just with this one bank, YMMV. I asked about BMW here and got some good replies - it seems they will deal. For sure after you turn the car in (if that makes sense). My "plan" is to return the car and buy it back as CPO - hopefully with a nice discount off of residual and a $500 refund via BMWCCA. Of course, if I could adjust the seat in an RX-8 lower I might get that for my daily driver. I told my wife it HAS 4 doors :-) If the lease is via Audi financial - ask over on one of the Audi forums (or just search) - they may have entirely different practices than other lease banks. Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd At 01:26 PM 08/06/2003 -0400, Dennis Liu wrote: >on the purchase of a lease return? A good friend of mine lease an Audi A6 >4.2 three years ago, and the lease expires in a month. It needs probably >$1k worth of cosmetic work to return it. The residual value is about $5k >above the wholesale value of the car. > >Thus, theoretically, he could just pay the $1k, return the car, then buy the >same car and save some money. Audi Leasing has to know this, so I presume >that they should be willing to negotiat the buy-back price; they can make a >few bucks more than if they had to wholesale it. > >So, my question - is a negotiation of the lease-end purchase price common? >If so, is it done with the dealer, or does he have to negotiate with Audi >Leasing? > >Any advice would be appreciated. > >vty, > >--Dennis (buys all his cars with cash) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:03:00 -0700 From: "tony colicchio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: E36 seat mount measurement specs Yep, I think that the stock bolt is 10mm and the hole in the stock seat frame is 12-14mm :). - -Tony - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: E36 seat mount measurement specs >What does all this mean, go measure YOUR car if you want it to be exact, >because the stock mounts have too much inconsistency. The beauty of the clearance hole. Make the hole big enough and it'll fit. :-) - -Carlos. (seat designer) 91 M3 88 iS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:08:46 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] How does one negotiate... (slightly OT) They will negoatiate the lease payoff amount. They will not do it happily, and they will not do it without plenty of coercion on your part. If the car is particularly nice, they will keep it for retail inventory, thus, you will NOT get to negotaite lease payoff. However, with a car that needs $1k in cosmetic work, I wouldn't think this car would qualify for your dealer's retail inventory. Especially since, I assume, this car will have some paintwork (I'm not saying the new car dealers don't have pre-owned stuff on the lot with no paintwork!). Your dealer will have first pick on all off lease audi's coming in, and pick the best to sell for retail....thus, they have plenty to choose from. Their other option for this car is to wholesale it. Usually, Audi Financial, or even the dealership, will have an affilitation with a local auction, or an auction that runs the Audi Sale (offlease Audi inventory owned by Audi Financial). They will run the car there and take a wholesale price. If that is where the car is headed...you can step in and try to buy it between a wholesale and retail number. It could be worth a try...but, it will take a lot of negotiating bull$%%% to get it done...which your friend may or may not want to deal with. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > >on the purchase of a lease return? A good friend of mine lease > an Audi A6 > >4.2 three years ago, and the lease expires in a month. It needs probably > >$1k worth of cosmetic work to return it. The residual value is about $5k > >above the wholesale value of the car. > > > >Thus, theoretically, he could just pay the $1k, return the car, > then buy the > >same car and save some money. Audi Leasing has to know this, so > I presume > >that they should be willing to negotiat the buy-back price; they > can make a > >few bucks more than if they had to wholesale it. > > > >So, my question - is a negotiation of the lease-end purchase > price common? > >If so, is it done with the dealer, or does he have to negotiate with Audi > >Leasing? > > > >Any advice would be appreciated. > > > >vty, > > > >--Dennis (buys all his cars with cash) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Tire Poll Although they are not listed at the Tire Rack, I have so far put about 15K miles on my Toyo Proxes T1-S and have been very happy with them. I have not had problems in the rain at all with them and they have been solid the entire time I have had them so far. This is the first time I have used these tires so I am interested to see how the remaining life will go and how close I can get to the 50K miles I put on the ContiSports that they replaced. Plus, they are a Roundel advertiser. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6630 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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