[uucdigest] Monday, August 11 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6651
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Re: [uuc] <E36> WTB factory steering stops from M3 Re: [uuc] <E36> WTB factory steering stops from M3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: AVSI's This is kind of moot since they're a dead model, but I've had very good results with AVSI's in the dry. I ran three driver's schools this year with them (couldn't get RA-1s) and they stuck and held up very well in the dry. My last student didn't realize I was on street tires til I told him. In the wet, they're...um...scary, so if you're going to a school at a place like Mid Ohio, where you've got a good chance of a wet day, I'd opt for something else. Marc Plante E36 325i, 214k Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:03:29 -0700 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: E36 software updates: re: E36 software updates + dealer experiences: In February '99 I had the crankshaft position sensor recall performed on my E36 //M3. That included an ECU remap regarding O2 sensor issues which I advised the dealer not to perform as my ECU was already no longer stock. I should point out that the aftermarket remap I had made a noticeable difference from the initial 6/97 code my car was delivered with. Also that the recall first was available in late '98/early '99. A few months later, my car was in at the same dealer for RTAB repair under warranty. When I got my car back, the engine didn't seem much different except I found the redlines had reverted to stock. I ran some 60 to 80 third gear timings to verify that. Better than when the car was stock, but on the slower side for the aftermarket remap. It turns out that Allison BMW, Mountain View, CA, had done the O2 sensor remap with niether my permission nor advising me when I picked up my car. Their sneakiness in attempting to earn a few extra warranty bucks from BMWNA also was shown by them not placing the sticker under that hood that was supposed to be done when the recall was performed. Now that "the dealer formerly known as Allison" is owned by a national chain, its not even worth passing intestinal methane at. So to kill two birds with one piece of silicone, the first bird chirped that the final stock mapping for the //E36 M3 is an improvement over earlier burns, is similar to what the aftermarket tuners will give but with less spark advance so that it does not require 91 octane. It will keep your engine stock if you compete in a class that does not allow the ECU to be remapped. If you have a '99 //M3 as listed by the posting asking about remaps, check your production date. I also have a sneaky suspicion that the aftermarket remap now in my //M3 may be same as the latest factory remap with just higher redlines and the spark advance bumped up. While the second bird tweeted a reminder when bringing your car in for servicing, to specify that nothing else is to be done to your car whether there is cost involved or not, since its commonplace for dealers to do no cost to the customer warranty and recall work on your BMW without asking permission or advising you later, and under many state's laws, that practice is legal if there is no cost to the customer. Happy remapping, 'jk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Wet BMW's... On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, roger n. katz wrote: > How soon before Tricolor BMW's show up on eBay? L00K! no reserve! Brand new BMW, 0 miles! Washed for 8 months. Tumbled dry. Small scuff marks near where gigantic cutting wire sawed car in half briefly. One of a kind!! - -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:22:58 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Track time at NHIS! Sports Car Driving Association @ NHIS Aug. 12 and 13 Hey, just heard from Ian - due to a couple of cancellations, he has some spaces available (including NOVICE) for both tomorrow and Wednesday at NHIS. Weather will be muggy, and hot, but not much (if any) rain. So we should be able to run. Again, best part - no need to corner work!!! $175/day, and more track time than you think. I'll be there both days, instructing in TLJ's yellow 996. Come by and say hello! vty, - --Dennis - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:51 AM To: Ferrari List Subject: Track time at NHIS! Sports Car Driving Association @ NHIS Aug. 12 and 13 Anyone else going to the SCDA track event at NHIS on Tues/Weds Aug 12 and 13th? I think the beginner slots are filled on the 12th, but advanced slots are available, and the 13th is open for all groups. I'll be there. Lots and lots of track time for a reasonable price, and best part, NO CORNER WORKING! No standing out in turn 5 under the August sun! For more info, contact Ian Prout at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or check out www.scda1.com. Come on, it'll be fun! vty, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] What's the difference between.... the HR cup kit and purchashing Bilstiens/HR's seperately?? As far as price goes the cup kit is less expensive and supposed to be "tuned" for vehicle it's being used on. Anyone have any experience or input with the cup kits?? Thanks!!! Manuel Paredes 95 325i Fixed H2O pump!! L.A. BMWCCA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:10:51 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30 Bumpers Comparing the loss or addition of 20-25 lbs. in a race car is a little different in my opinion than on a street car. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:25:41 -0700 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re: [uuc] <E30> M3 springs raise 325i (!) re: [uuc] <E30> M3 springs raise 325i (!): The Bentley E30 service book has an excellent section and spec data on stock springs by part number, model, and spacer thickness. The //M3 had several possible springs, depending on if it was 193 or 215 hp, and with or without airbags. The table also lists specific part numbers to use for a desired change in ride height. Best for your car, I would recommend, would be the '87/8 //M3. Those were the lightest, and made great conversion springs for the lighter E30 318i. In fact the optional 'Bilstein suspension' mentioned in the parts listings for the 84/5 318i used the same springs as the 87 //M3. Thus making those springs stock legal in SCCA. The other listed mod, Bilsteins, could also be contributing to higher ride heights. They are a high pressure design, while the low pressure Koni design will not raise your car. Btw, I've never posted that before, but yes, '97 //M3 springs (with //M3 swaybars) were what I initially used in my old H Stock 318i. Later, using the Bentley manual spring chart, I found a softer shorter spring for the 318i front than most US production got ( it was most often used for the euro 316i). But for the purpose of correcting the ride height of a car when the ride height was taller than "desired?", it was listed as an available stock spring, so it was legal to use. The advantage to the softer shorter spring is it gave greater weight transfer forward than the stiffer //M spring. Used in conjunction with a massive (for a 2300 pound car) 1" thick front swaybar, the combination of the soft and low springs with the massive swaybar was not so stable to drive on the street, but when driven properly at an autocross was a very winning combination. So use that spring chart for all its worth and you can find just the right other E30 factory springs for your 325e. ymmv, 'jk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:06:31 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Chris' new tires, was RE: [uuc] Recent dealer experience Thanks, Chris! *** <rehash omitted>, then Chris says: No problem swapping for a few miles if you like. *** Thanks again! *** then Chris says: You might get a good idea from my car (H&R + Bilstein sports & M3 control arms w/solid bushings). Not coilovers, but not tired-out stock, either. *** Maybe or maybe not. Can you see the tops of your tires? <bfg> - - Jay H. (I'll be in touch.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:10:14 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: Amp Connectors Anyone have a good reference to an amp connector source? Specifically the harness end of a two blade wire lock type that goes to the Temp timer switch on an E23 (green connector). - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:37:28 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M5 Interior Options What is the difference between: "Nappa Point Leather Sport Interior" "Nappa Heritage Leather Luxury Interior" Sport has metal/aluminum trim, luxury has wood trim. Any other differences? Same design seats and bolsters? The "sport" is not that suede like stuff ("Alcantara") they put in the 330PP is it? Thanks! Dennis 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:44:15 -0500 From: "Weimer, Matt J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: <E30> M3 springs raise 325i (!) Hey Lee, I don't think it is spring sag as the car only has 60k on the clock. The stock Euro springs did not seem to make the car much lower than any other 325i, the ride was definitely a little stiffer but nothing real drastic. The ride height now is not level, I will send you a pic, and is very obviously off. Many other E30 325i owners have done the stock M3 spring/Bilstein upgrade to their cars with great success. Andy M. and I have even done it to a four door with great results. The car does handle better but the rear feels funny, too bouncy (to use a technical term) compared even to my E30 M3 with Eibachs and Bilsteins. Oh well, the point is moot as I just ordered a set of Euro spec H&R sport springs from Turner. I spoke with H&R and this is what they recommended vs. the usual E30 H&R sport spring (50406). Should have done this in the first place. Matt Original Message: - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:43:19 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E30> M3 springs raise 325i (!) Could be that the springs for euro cars sit them lower. Also could be that your old springs had quite a bit of sag or were really soft. Does the car handle better? Probably. One thing to keep in mind is that the M3 springs would've been specifically designed to sit the car at a level ride height. The alignment specs for that car state that total (that is the sum) deviation in ride height for all four wheels is less than 10mm. If your car is now at a level ride height, BMW says the new springs are right. Also keep in mind that some 325 springs actually had a higher spring rate than the M3 springs. I would assume that this is to compensate for additional weight. I would say that if you want a drop, you should get springs designed to give a drop. For your speculation on weight, my E30M3 wieghs 2812 with a full tank & spare in nearly stock form. Sorry don't have any concrete figures on 325i's. Hope this helps a little...... Lee 88M3->dropped a little ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:53:33 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> WTB factory steering stops from M3 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > E36/ex-E36 types... > > Anybody parting an M3 or un-modifying their non-M? I'm running '95 > M3 wheels on my 325is, and occasionally rub a wheel before hitting > full lock (e.g. catching or attempting to catch oversteer). I'd like > to add the M3 steering stops to protect against further rubbing. Jay, What size tires are you running on your M3 wheels? I've not had any front rubbing problems running 235/40-17 tires on M3 wheels or 245/40-17 tires on 17x8ET38 wheels on my wife's 328i. Where do the wheels rub? Any signs of prior damage to the front wheel wells? Any prior accident damage? alex f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:58:45 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> WTB factory steering stops from M3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > <answering for Jay> > > What size tires are you running on your M3 wheels? > Where do the wheels rub? Any signs of prior damage > to the front wheel wells? Any prior accident damage? 235/40-17 MXX3's. tho I think he has 225/45-17 Kumho's on the car now which may be wider. his car is low. really low. too low perhaps. the Sachs coil-over kit which came off my E30 (yes it was an E36 kit on an E30) was set up rather low, so that may have something to do with it. his car has AFAIK not been damaged in an accident, unlike his first 325, which was totalled. Ben will be chasing Jay around Gingerman tomorrow in the STi... ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6651 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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