[uucdigest] Wednesday, August 20 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6677
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[uuc] more I-6s [uuc] Re:5 Speed Conversion for 2002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:48:44 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Spam-er, marketing e-mail from BMW NA Both the Lexus GS300 and IS300 use an inline 6, don't they? I think there may be other cars with inline motors. Dennis At 09:53 PM 8/19/03 -0400, you wrote: >I get this very nicely formatted e-mail from BMW NA today, promoting the >3-series generally and its engines in particular. > >It read, in part, "BMW's silky-smooth engines are some of the most >legendary, award-winning powerplants ever available to the public. For >example, the 745i's 325-horsepower V-8 was named "International Engine of >the Year"1. by a panel of 40 automotive experts, and BMW has been named to >the "Top Ten Engines" list in Ward's AutoWorld2. 14 times. Each engine >delivers smooth power throughout the rpm range, quick acceleration and a >rewarding, throaty growl. > >"For decades, BMW has been famous for making what are arguably the most >thrilling, smoothest and efficient inline six-cylinder engines in the world. >It is this inline six-cylinder engine that has made the BMW 3 Series >legendary. Available in 2.5 and 3.0-liter displacements, 3 Series engines >consistently outperform many other manufacturers' larger engines. BMW's >inline six is also a perennial favorite among the automotive press, leading >Road & Track to conclude that the 3.0-liter is, "...a sweetheart of an >engine. Its best attribute is that its power delivery is felt >instantaneously almost anywhere in the rpm spectrum." >__________________ > >What got me curious is not so much that, as far as I can dimly recall, BMW >is the ONLY maker currently selling in-line six engines (correct? everyone >else has moved to a Vee configuration, right?), but rather that BMW mentions >that its legendary inline six-cylinder engine is available in 2.5 and >3.0-liter displacements -- and totally neglects to include the M3's 3246cc >motor. I presume it's because M3s are still selling (relatively) well, and >the 330 and 325 need a bit of promotion? > >Just some idle speculation on a slow day.... > >vty, > >--Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:15:23 -0500 From: "Larry T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #6675 I'm pretty sure Toyota still makes the Supra with an inline six, but its only sold in Japan. >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:53:54 -0400 >From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Spam-er, marketing e-mail from BMW NA > >I get this very nicely formatted e-mail from BMW NA today, promoting the >3-series generally and its engines in particular. > >It read, in part, "BMW's silky-smooth engines are some of the most >legendary, award-winning powerplants ever available to the public. For >example, the 745i's 325-horsepower V-8 was named "International Engine of >the Year"1. by a panel of 40 automotive experts, and BMW has been named to >the "Top Ten Engines" list in Ward's AutoWorld2. 14 times. Each engine >delivers smooth power throughout the rpm range, quick acceleration and a >rewarding, throaty growl. > >"For decades, BMW has been famous for making what are arguably the most >thrilling, smoothest and efficient inline six-cylinder engines in the >world. >It is this inline six-cylinder engine that has made the BMW 3 Series >legendary. Available in 2.5 and 3.0-liter displacements, 3 Series engines >consistently outperform many other manufacturers� larger engines. BMW�s >inline six is also a perennial favorite among the automotive press, leading >Road & Track to conclude that the 3.0-liter is, "...a sweetheart of an >engine. Its best attribute is that its power delivery is felt >instantaneously almost anywhere in the rpm spectrum." >__________________ > >What got me curious is not so much that, as far as I can dimly recall, BMW >is the ONLY maker currently selling in-line six engines (correct? everyone >else has moved to a Vee configuration, right?), but rather that BMW >mentions >that its legendary inline six-cylinder engine is available in 2.5 and >3.0-liter displacements -- and totally neglects to include the M3's 3246cc >motor. I presume it's because M3s are still selling (relatively) well, and >the 330 and 325 need a bit of promotion? > >Just some idle speculation on a slow day.... > >vty, > >- --Dennis > >------------------------------ > >End of [uucdigest] V3 #6675 >*************************** > >| >| In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >|________________________________________ >| Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: >| (listed alphabetically) >| >| Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com >| >|==================================================== >| >| Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental >| http://www.koalamotorsport.com >| >|==================================================== >| >| Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! >| >|==================================================== >| Turner Motorsport Inc . The Ultra-High Performance BMW Specialist >| 207 Elm Street, Amesbury, MA 01950 >| 978-388-7769 / fax 978-388-4202 >| http://www.turnermotorsport.com >| >|==================================================== >| >| UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning >| and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >| 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >|__________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ <b>Get MSN 8</b> and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] I6 engines IIRC, the GM Vortec 6 is a pretty blatant copy of the recent BMW 6, including the coils on the plugs, etc. I did try one in the Trailblazer when it first came out; the truck was not to my liking but the motor has a lot of potential in the right vehicle. Jon <----fan of the E34 535i, with M30 big 6 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] I-6 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:16:38 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Spam-er, marketing e-mail from BMW NA Dennis Liu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What got me curious is not so much that, as far as I can dimly recall, BMW > is the ONLY maker currently selling in-line six engines (correct? everyone > else has moved to a Vee configuration, right?) Actually, GM currently makes an inline-6 engine. It's a new design and they use it in some of their trucks and SUV's. It's supposed to be an excellent powerplant. - - - Mark - - -- Actually the Power-Tech I-6 available in Jeeps (I guess they are technically not cars??) Is also an excelent engine. It's based on the Power-tech I-4, which was based on the AMC(car) 258 cid I-6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.geocities.com/JohnKGallagher __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M3 is 99% ordinary? Tim: You need to read my mail again. I am talking of WORKING ON the E30 M3, not its driving characteristics, etc., that you are calling unique. You've been in too many silly E30 M3 'contests', my friend! Let me rephrase the mail in a more "modern" style: 1. Is a flared fender more technical to work on than a non-flared one? 2. Is the different suspension more technical to work on than a standard E30 one? I think that 1% increase in complexity is a generous estimate. Agreed? I should add that I've worked on at least 2 E30 M3s, possibly three, including pulling the engine and tranny and quite a bit of suspension work, all documented. As for the engine, as you point out, I have rebuilt the M5 engine (top end only) _once_. Again, not a big deal and the E30 M3 would have been far easier. Tedious, surely, but not complex. I deal with harder stuff at work every day. In any case, I pointed out that the engine was an exception as there are some tricks. Lee's work, which the discussion originated from, was non-engine. Oh, and the S38 is no more an M30 with 4-valves than an S14 is an S38 with two cylinders lopped off. Rephrasing ... the S14 is MORE THAN an S38 with two cylinders chopped off. In addition, the S38 came from the M49, which pre-dated the M30, via the M88. A nomenclature change explains the out-of-numeric order designations. Neil Deshpande *** From: "Tim Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neil, I don't agree with you on this "99% of the car is just ordinary." statement. I am going to reflect on the little I know of the E34 M5 that you own and did an engine rebuild twice yourself on. If you say the E30 m3 is 99% ordinary, then you are saying that the S14 engine, the flared fender and caped body, the different geometery suspension setting... are worth only 1% of that car. I think ANY "S" motor is worth a little more than that. I am sure you agree your S38 motor in your M5 is NOT an M30 with 4 valves? right? ALso if you say the E30 m3 is 99% ordinary as in regular e30, then is your 1992 e34 M5(rare car)just 99% the same as a e34 535i? I don't think so. I do agree that suspension, electrical, basic body harware.... are the same as other E30 AND E28s BUT its very different in MANY sense. I would safely say the E30 m3 is maybe 40% same as a E30 325is. The other 60% is what's so special about a limited production car. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:24:11 -0700 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] In-Line Sixes GM still makes and sells the same in-line six that dates back to at least the early 60s. Toyota cloned it and it was in my Toyota Land Cruiser (FJ-40) I bought in '74. Does one of the Japanese companies sell an in-line six also? Steve Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:30:41 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Parts sources? on 8/19/03 12:04 PM, "Mark J. Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where's the best place to buy parts? I've got the parts cd's, so I can > just write up a list of part numbers and fax it in if need be... Are > there anyone online wholesalers or whatever? To answer your last question first, go to Google and search on "BMW Parts." Or look in Roundel. The best place depends to some extent on what your car is, which parts, and where you are located. Parts that come from a dealer I order from The BMW Store in Cincinnati (Roundel advertiser), which is within one day shipping range for me via UPS ground. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] more I-6s Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:16:38 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Spam-er, marketing e-mail from BMW NA Dennis Liu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What got me curious is not so much that, as far as I can dimly recall, BMW > is the ONLY maker currently selling in-line six engines (correct? everyone > else has moved to a Vee configuration, right?) Uh, Toyota Alteza (Lexus)IS300 and others John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:41:52 -0700 From: Keith Wollenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:5 Speed Conversion for 2002 At 02:07 PM 8/19/2003, John Pease wrote: >There are 2 different 5 speed transmissions that are used to convert >2002's. The early style >(model 245?) was used in 320i of 80-81? vintage. The transmission from 82 >and 83 320's was smaller >and not as durable. Since my car is a "high horsepower" Tii application, I >opted for the more >substantial 245 version. Maybe the newer style doesn't shift as well. I dunno. There are (at least) 3 types. Another alternative is the ZF close ratio 5 speed, with Porsche style synchros, rather than the Borg Warner style synchros in the later transmissions. These do not give you an overdrive 5th, but rather a smoother, more integrated set of gears than the standard street boxes. They were the early race transmissions, from the TISAs, the TIs, and the racing Tiis. Keith Wollenberg 2000 tii Touring (guess which transmission!) Executive VP. BMW CCA ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6677 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . The Ultra-High Performance BMW Specialist | 207 Elm Street, Amesbury, MA 01950 | 978-388-7769 / fax 978-388-4202 | http://www.turnermotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning | and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! | 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________________________
