[uucdigest] Friday, August 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6687
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control [uuc] Digital Climate Control RE: [uuc] Sqeaky Rear Suspension (E39) and Check Engine Light (E36) Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Re: [uuc] E34 check engine code 1215 *Solved* [uuc] Controls [uuc] E36 Digital HVAC [uuc] Re: Metric Mechanic Engines: [uuc] re:Metric Mechanic engines: [uuc] test post ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:10:39 -0700 From: marco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion Well considering those wily germans make everything else in the car overly complex you'd think they'd put 10 minutes into fan design ;-) Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Marco, > > The squirrel cage type fans are not easily designed to be quite. A pancake type with > the proper blade and frame design can be > however. > > -Kevin > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:53 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control I like the semi-automatic climate control in my STi. seems to keep the temp about where I want it & a move of one notch colder or warmer usually keeps it just right for my taste. the fully manual system in the M coupe worked quite well in it's time with me, never left me wanting for any additional adustments at all. the full auto system in the Mini seems to work pretty well as well, but a dual zone might be good for keeping both people at their preferred temps. the R12 system in the E28 M5 will still freeze my hands if I aim the vents on them & leave it on full cold. if I ever pull the engine from the car I'm leaving the A/C system in the car & un-touched, just like high mileage BMW auto transmissions, no reason to mess with something that works... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:50:48 -0700 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Scott Miller writes: I've found that a climate control OFF function that can be quickly operated is very helpful when passing by noxious-fume-spewing factories or refineries. Yet another good reason for the newer climate control Scott. My car detects the noxious fumes, and automatically switches to 'recirculate' mode. It also reverts back to 'fresh air' mode when the crisis passes. No distraction or action required by the driver. Houses have had automatic thermostats for what, 75 years or so? It's not new technology folks, it's not even high tech, and I'll bet not one of you would put up with manually controlling the temperature of your furnace output. Why would you expect less from your car? The place where BMW falls short, and my only complaint, is that the driver must manually push the snowflake button in order to engage the A/C compressor. This is a button that needs to be pressed on both digital and analog climate control systems. My 1990 Acura would maintain the set point temperature by running heat or A/C as required, all without distracting the driver. That was 13 years ago for crying out loud. Come on BMW, catch up with the rest of the industry will ya! Cheers everyone Steve Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:53:02 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Sqeaky Rear Suspension (E39) and Check Engine Light (E36) Does the "Evaporation Control System Leak" fall under the federally-mandated 10-year emissions component warranty? Or does that only cover the actual catalytic converter? - - Rob - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Sqeaky Rear Suspension (E39) and Check Engine Light (E36) >Check Engine Light on 328: >My 328i Check Engine Light issue was described as >"Evaporation Control System Leak Detected (small >leak)" when the code was read while doing the EPA >test. I called the local BMW dealer who said they >would have to pressurize the system and see where it's >leaking. It could take 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours just >to diagnose. I have NOT had good experiences at BMW >dealers. My local mechanic also felt that this was a >dealer issue and not one he could tackle. I have, of >course, already replaced the gas cap... >Donn >Hinsdale, IL (suburban Chicago) >'98 540/6 >'97 328iA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:45:25 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control A thermostat for the house is quite simple compared to an automotive climate control. The house is a simple on-off device. A car has a vastly more difficult environment to manage. Cool down after heat soak, low speed city driving, high speed highway, high solar load, nighttime, etc. How automatic do you want it? Do you want the car to steer for you also? Have the car take you to work without distracting the driver at all. That Acura likely ran the A/C all the time the ambient temperature was above 50 degrees or so. That is not high tech, that consumes fuel unnecessarily. I like having control over my A/C. Heck, I like driving a stick shift. That take a lot more input than a climate control. Gary Derian > > Houses have had automatic thermostats for what, 75 years or so? It's not > new technology folks, it's not even high tech, and I'll bet not one of > you would put up with manually controlling the temperature of your > furnace output. Why would you expect less from your car? > > The place where BMW falls short, and my only complaint, is that the > driver must manually push the snowflake button in order to engage the > A/C compressor. This is a button that needs to be pressed on both > digital and analog climate control systems. My 1990 Acura would maintain > the set point temperature by running heat or A/C as required, all > without distracting the driver. That was 13 years ago for crying out > loud. Come on BMW, catch up with the rest of the industry will ya! > > Cheers everyone > Steve Albrecht > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:10:18 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control One of the most annoying things on the wife's Porsche 911 (996) is that when you push the "auto" button, it turns on the a/c compressor, even if it's -5 degrees outside. One has to manually turn OFF the compressor. So, on this point, I'm totally in agreement with Gary. It's even worse on the Ferrari 355. If one leaves it on Auto, one never really knows if the a/c is on all the time, or whether the computer cycles it as needed. And it's not like the manual is really helpful.... One element that I do miss on both of these cars, as well as on the E39 and E38 is what I had on my E28 AND on my wife's SAAB 900 - the ability to allow outside air to blow in, unadulterated. vty, - --Dennis - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control A thermostat for the house is quite simple compared to an automotive climate control. The house is a simple on-off device. A car has a vastly more difficult environment to manage. Cool down after heat soak, low speed city driving, high speed highway, high solar load, nighttime, etc. How automatic do you want it? Do you want the car to steer for you also? Have the car take you to work without distracting the driver at all. That Acura likely ran the A/C all the time the ambient temperature was above 50 degrees or so. That is not high tech, that consumes fuel unnecessarily. I like having control over my A/C. Heck, I like driving a stick shift. That take a lot more input than a climate control. Gary Derian > > Houses have had automatic thermostats for what, 75 years or so? It's not > new technology folks, it's not even high tech, and I'll bet not one of > you would put up with manually controlling the temperature of your > furnace output. Why would you expect less from your car? > > The place where BMW falls short, and my only complaint, is that the > driver must manually push the snowflake button in order to engage the > A/C compressor. This is a button that needs to be pressed on both > digital and analog climate control systems. My 1990 Acura would maintain > the set point temperature by running heat or A/C as required, all > without distracting the driver. That was 13 years ago for crying out > loud. Come on BMW, catch up with the rest of the industry will ya! > > Cheers everyone > Steve Albrecht > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:12:59 -0700 From: "Michael Lapinskas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E34 check engine code 1215 *Solved* Thanks go to Jeff who pointed me in the right direction below. Turns out that the plenum (Intake boot post AFM) from the carb to the AFM had a very loose clamp and had worked its way to the edge creating the vacuum leak. Yea. BTW - NAPA sourced a rebuilt AFM for $108 + $35 core. 1/2 the best online rebuilt price I could find and almost 4 times less than a CCA discounted dealer price for a real Bosch. Dealer price matched online Bosch prices. Thanks again, - -Mike | ---- | From: "JSN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Subject: Re: [uuc] E34 check engine code 1215 | | Check for vaccum leaks: | | Oil cap | Brake booster line and check valve | Dip stick | ICV hose | Intake boot post AFM | Clamps | etc. | | Hope this helps | | Jeff | 90 535i | | - ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Michael Lapinskas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:26 PM | Subject: [uuc] E34 check engine code 1215 | | > Starting the car for work the other day, the check engine light came on and | > it had a very rough idle. The stomp test shows 1215, mass air flow | > meter. I've measured the meter (vane and air temp sensor), and tried | > another MAF which | > measures out very similar to the first. I don’t know if it is | > related, but I can't seem | > to clear the code holding the pedal 10 secs. | > ...snip... | > | > Thanks, | > -Mike '93 535i manual | > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:23:57 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Controls Andre wrote: >On a tangent, I'm surprised no one has copied the >Audi/VW sunroof control dial --- it's easily the best >user interface idea I've seen in years. Except for >controls with only two states, buttons are for the birds. I have always liked the manual sunroofs on the old W123 MBZs (~1976-1985). You just pull down a metal handle, turn it to unlock and slide it back. It seems like new car designers have given up on "keep it simple" and try for "make it complex". Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:02:57 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 Digital HVAC "R o d r i g o" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone converted their rotary style HVAC to the > digital style found on later model e-36's? I just don't get the fancy "dual zone" digital HVAC systems. I knew a guy who had a $6K 750iL and got a $3K bid to fix his HVAC. I just gave him a call since I knew he would feel my pain since the bid from the dealer to fix the complex digital HVAC on my Range Rover was $2,800 (just a little less than I paid for my first Land Rover a 1960 SII 88). Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:28:30 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Metric Mechanic Engines: I don't want to pick on Metric Mechanic, but it seems like almost every company that sells automotive performance products exaggerates in their ads. How many people really get 20% more mileage with Slick 50 or 50HP more with a chip or more power with a high flow exhaust with a super big chrome tip? Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 Who has found the best way to get an honest increase in hp is to buy a different car that had more hp when it rolled out of the factory... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:29:42 -0700 From: Kit Wetzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re:Metric Mechanic engines: > I've used Metric Mechanic engines and parts in past BMWs and I can > declare first hand that they produce the performance and increased > reliability that they claim, and then some. So far the only glowing recommendation comes from a guy who thought making a larger HFM out of an extra large can of tomato soup was a good idea. ;) Show me some dyno sheets. There are a lot of things you can do incorrectly with a flow bench that can show an increase without a commiserate increase in power. -kit 97 m3/4 90 525i 03 cbr600rr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:13:18 -0500 From: "Andy Messer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] test post Test post. Recent posts have bounced. Thanks for the BW - ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6687 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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