[uucdigest] Friday, August 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6688
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control [uuc] Re: E34 check engine code 1215 *Solved* RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question RE: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:44:41 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control I only use A/C when I really need it, not every chance I get. I need to have control of the compressor and recirculation. I don't mind the full climate control in the M5 but when it fails, it is a major pain and probably way expensive. Right now the air control stepper motors don't work, the motors are good so its a control problem. This is a major pain in the butt and more than compensates for all the less distraction time I've spent with it working. A/C only comes out the heater vents which is not very helpful. I've disassembled the interior and manually set the flaps to the dash vents. My interior looks like a high school science project. In my previous project car, a 70's GM product, I added both air conditioning and those fabulous kick panel vents which no car has any more. I would be comfortable up to about 80 degrees ambient temperature without the A/C. That was the best. I have resigned myself to not being able to do that with any other car I might own. Gary Derian > One of the most annoying things on the wife's Porsche 911 (996) is that when > you push the "auto" button, it turns on the a/c compressor, even if it's -5 > degrees outside. One has to manually turn OFF the compressor. So, on this > point, I'm totally in agreement with Gary. > > It's even worse on the Ferrari 355. If one leaves it on Auto, one never > really knows if the a/c is on all the time, or whether the computer cycles > it as needed. And it's not like the manual is really helpful.... > > One element that I do miss on both of these cars, as well as on the E39 and > E38 is what I had on my E28 AND on my wife's SAAB 900 - the ability to allow > outside air to blow in, unadulterated. > > vty, > > --Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control > > > A thermostat for the house is quite simple compared to an automotive climate > control. The house is a simple on-off device. A car has a vastly more > difficult environment to manage. Cool down after heat soak, low speed city > driving, high speed highway, high solar load, nighttime, etc. How automatic > do you want it? Do you want the car to steer for you also? Have the car > take you to work without distracting the driver at all. > > That Acura likely ran the A/C all the time the ambient temperature was above > 50 degrees or so. That is not high tech, that consumes fuel unnecessarily. > > I like having control over my A/C. Heck, I like driving a stick shift. > That take a lot more input than a climate control. > > Gary Derian > > > > > Houses have had automatic thermostats for what, 75 years or so? It's not > > new technology folks, it's not even high tech, and I'll bet not one of > > you would put up with manually controlling the temperature of your > > furnace output. Why would you expect less from your car? > > > > The place where BMW falls short, and my only complaint, is that the > > driver must manually push the snowflake button in order to engage the > > A/C compressor. This is a button that needs to be pressed on both > > digital and analog climate control systems. My 1990 Acura would maintain > > the set point temperature by running heat or A/C as required, all > > without distracting the driver. That was 13 years ago for crying out > > loud. Come on BMW, catch up with the rest of the industry will ya! > > > > Cheers everyone > > Steve Albrecht > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:13:56 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control > I like the semi-automatic climate control in my STi. seems > to keep the temp about where I want it & a move of one > notch colder or warmer usually keeps it just right for > my taste. Dude, when'd ya get the STi? I guess I'm going to have to stop by when I'm in Ohio......A car like that even bothers with climate control? > > Ben Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:11:16 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Lee wrote: > > I like the semi-automatic climate control in my STi. seems > > to keep the temp about where I want it & a move of one > > notch colder or warmer usually keeps it just right for > > my taste. > > Dude, when'd ya get the STi? a month ago. > I guess I'm going to have to stop by when I'm > in Ohio if you want, tho you'll just be standing around wondering where I am since I live in Michigan :-P > ......A car like that even bothers with climate control? I suspect that it's no heavier than the manual system and only marginally more expensive, so they included it. no one is stupid enough to try to sell a car w/o A/C in the US, no matter how hardcore the car is otherwise. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:21:42 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control That would never work in my car. The noxious fumes are as likely to be coming from inside the car as from outside. Scott Miller a.k.a. "Gassy" GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:50:48 -0700 >From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Digital Climate Control > >Scott Miller writes: I've found that a climate control OFF function that >can be quickly operated is very helpful when passing by >noxious-fume-spewing factories or refineries. > >Yet another good reason for the newer climate control Scott. My car >detects the noxious fumes, and automatically switches to 'recirculate' >mode. It also reverts back to 'fresh air' mode when the crisis passes. >No distraction or action required by the driver. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:25:56 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: E34 check engine code 1215 *Solved* Mike, glad to hear that you solved the problem. But what E34 has an AFM AND a carb? Must be some trick high performance setup. Scott "Annoyingly Picky" Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:12:59 -0700 >From: "Michael Lapinskas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] E34 check engine code 1215 *Solved* > >Thanks go to Jeff who pointed me in the right direction below. > >Turns out that the plenum (Intake boot post AFM) from the carb >to the AFM had a very loose clamp and had worked its way to the >edge creating the vacuum leak. Yea. <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:28:50 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion I hate to be the voice of dissension but I really like the automatic climate control on my 330i. Set it for whatever temperature that you want and forget about it; it seems to work pretty well. I like the sunroof on that car too, it isn't too loud at all. You just have to crack the rear windows slightly and it seems to relieve the pressure and makes much less noise. My last car was an Audi A4 1.8tq with the much admired sunroof control. It was fine when it worked (75% of the time). I am glad that I had a CPO warranty on that car, out of the 14 months I owned it it was in the shop for 4 months total. Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 5 Spd Steel Blue Metallic SP 1995 M3 5 Spd Arctic Silver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:53:27 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion on 8/21/03 3:38 PM, "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd yank it OUT of my E34 in a heartbeat if it was simple and put in the basic > manual controls. I have yet to encounter a BMW automatic climate control that > works well, doing something other than constantly overcompensating in each > direction. Dissenting voice here. I used to own a 92 E36 with the rotary controls, and currently have a 96 with the electronic control. Functionally I *much* prefer the latter, which does a good job for me. I sometimes dial fan speed up or down a bit, but other than that it's set-and-forget. Don't know that I'd retrofit it to an earlier car though. And my original crapped out after 6 years and had to be replaced at a parts cost of $230. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:48:00 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control At 12:11 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, ben keyes wrote: >Lee wrote: > > ......A car like that even bothers with climate control? > >I suspect that it's no heavier than the manual system >and only marginally more expensive, so they included it. >no one is stupid enough to try to sell a car w/o A/C in >the US, no matter how hardcore the car is otherwise. Only BMW is that stupid. I still can't believe they thought the M3 LTW would sell without A/C. At least Porsche, Mazda, Acura, Subaru and many other manufacturers realize that their lightweight/performance models still need to have A/C as an option if you want to have any hope of selling them. - -- Rex Tener [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:56:04 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Dennis Liu wrote: >One of the most annoying things on the wife's Porsche 911 (996) is that when >you push the "auto" button, it turns on the a/c compressor, even if it's -5 >degrees outside. One has to manually turn OFF the compressor. So, on this >point, I'm totally in agreement with Gary. > >It's even worse on the Ferrari 355. If one leaves it on Auto, one never >really knows if the a/c is on all the time, or whether the computer cycles >it as needed. And it's not like the manual is really helpful.... > > Hmmm... 996, 355, I'm sure I can't be the only one feeling sorry for you. If you get frustrated enough with either car that you decide to give it away, let me know. IIRC from a previous post you're in MA. Me too, so I'd be happy to come pick it up. I'm sure I could learn to live with the shortcomings of the climate control! Seriously though, from what I understand most recent HVAC systems run the A/C at least in defrost mode serving the dual puposes of dehumidifying the air to prevent fogging, but also to keep the seals lubricated, etc. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:54:58 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control I don't know about anyone else, but try driving a car with no AC on a warm rainy day and seeing through the windshield. Air Conditioned air is the only thing that will defrost the windshield. Alex Cagann > Only BMW is that stupid. I still can't believe they thought the M3 LTW > would sell without A/C. At least Porsche, Mazda, Acura, Subaru and many > other manufacturers realize that their lightweight/performance > models still > need to have A/C as an option if you want to have any hope of > selling them. > > -- > Rex Tener > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:00:15 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question Just curious - does anyone know if the 5 qt. packaging is exclusive to Wal-Mart? I've never seen them anywhere else. Brian ben keyes wrote: >strangely enough if there's a recommended 10W-50, then you might >be able to find get by w/ Mobil 1 15W-50 in a pinch at Wal-Mart and >sometimes for a reasonable price (~$18/five qt jug). > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:06:07 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question The only place I've ever seen the 5 qt Mobil 1 is at a Detroit area Wal-Mart. I bought 4 last time I was there. I've never seen it here in Columbus. Gary Derian > Just curious - does anyone know if the 5 qt. packaging is exclusive to > Wal-Mart? I've never seen them anywhere else. > > Brian > > ben keyes wrote: > > >strangely enough if there's a recommended 10W-50, then you might > >be able to find get by w/ Mobil 1 15W-50 in a pinch at Wal-Mart and > >sometimes for a reasonable price (~$18/five qt jug). > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:21:08 -0400 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question I don't know, but on Ben's recommendation, I picked up 4 of these 5 qt. jugs of 15W-50 this morning for $18.88 each. As another option, I occasionally see the regular quart size at Target for less than $4.00 each. Chris B. - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Daley Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question Just curious - does anyone know if the 5 qt. packaging is exclusive to Wal-Mart? I've never seen them anywhere else. Brian ben keyes wrote: >strangely enough if there's a recommended 10W-50, then you might >be able to find get by w/ Mobil 1 15W-50 in a pinch at Wal-Mart and >sometimes for a reasonable price (~$18/five qt jug). > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6688 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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