[uucdigest] Friday, August 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6690
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Harley, BMW. RE: [uuc] BMW, Harley. Harley, BMW. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:32:40 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control > > Err, Rex was talking about cars like the 911 RS America > (decontented 911 > designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), the Miata Clubsport > (decontented > Miata designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), etc. But what's the point of buying a car like that if you're going to have A/C? Either you want a racecar or you want a street car, right? Damn would I ever love to have an RS America.....bought a Saab instead....what was I thinking. Oh wait I already have a sports car.....it's just been over-contented for the US market. > > - Mark > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:46:29 -0500 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 M3 oil consumption question These show up occasionally in the Chicago area as well. I checked the Mt. Prospect location and found a good stock of 15w50 about 2 months ago. --SC Gary Derian wrote: >The only place I've ever seen the 5 qt Mobil 1 is at a Detroit area >Wal-Mart. I bought 4 last time I was there. I've never seen it here in >Columbus. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:49:16 -0500 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Pontiac Gary Derian wrote: >That's where I was. I was at the Silverdome for the FSAE competition and > Cool, I thought the Silverdome had been relegated to roller skating only after the Lions left. Glad to hear they're still pulling in some events. - --SC (Pontiac native) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:56:24 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Luxury racecars Andrew Thomas wrote: > You guys plainly aren't hardcore enough. I thought that car was sold as a > track-day special. The North American track-day-enthusiast's market can't > be so pampered that even their racecars have to have A/C! I don't think there was nearly the track-day market nor the number of people doing track events back in '95 as there are now. note that the new M3 CSL comes without A/C or a radio, but both of them can be ordered. strangely enough they include a rear seat & the associated hardware (seatbelts, carpet, etc) which they really didn't need to include IMHO. if they offered a factory half cage like Porsche does on the GT2/GT3 (tho not here in the US due to crash regs) they would add significant creditbility to the CSL effort. since there isn't any direct racing use for the CSL I guess we can forgive them not getting too far out, but they might as well recognize that there is a significant portion of their customer base who will want the added security of a cage, esp if one can get it factory-fit and (I assume) well integrated into the interior. interesting that the car doesn't seem to be any faster based on the magazine tests which have been done, but is apparently otherwise transformed in terms of it's character. I'm curious to see what some of the other writers at AutoCar and what the Evo folks think of it. apparently a lot of the quicker times for the N'ring that the car is capable of is due to the bespoke Pilot Cup Sports, which also apparently contributed to several press cars being damaged when the writers were caught out by the tyres lack of cold grip... > I notice that Lotus has put a deluxe Elise on the market in the UK in > preparation for the sale of the same car in the US. It has air-con, stereo, > electric toys, soundproofing and interior trim. It weighs 250 lb more than > the base model, loses 10 bhp with the A/C going, and drops the > power-to-weight ratio by nearly 20%. Expected sales volumes in the UK? > Zero :). yep. I'll be really curious as to whether Lotus find much more than a sliver of the market here, esp at the likely price point ($40k) for the car in today's market. I'd still opt for a Caterham R300/R400 rather than an Elise, given the choice of similar money (which they are roughly, tho I think the Caterham holds it's value better used) and a muuuuch quicker car in the form of the Caterham... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:58:18 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOB> Pontiac Sean Cordone wrote: > >That's where I was. I was at the Silverdome for the FSAE competition and > > Cool, I thought the Silverdome had been relegated to roller skating only > after the Lions left. Glad to hear they're still pulling in some events. they're turning it into a drive-in until they figure out what to do with it : http://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/2420169/detail.html I suspect this may force the FSAE into another venue, but perhaps not. Ben has done slow auto-x'ing at the 'dome, seen a few games as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:14:44 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control > But what's the point of buying a car like that if you're going to have A/C? > Either you want a racecar or you want a street car, right? Nopers. "Racecar-like for the street" is highly entertaining. That's why standard M3s are purchased by people who would have bought 325s if they only wanted transportation. It's all about choosing your point on the spectrum, and unless it is an honest-to-goodness numbers-on-the-side/rollcage/harness/R-compound-tire/only-track-driven real racecar, why not have air conditioning in it? Another good example of "racecar-like for the street" is almost every sportbike... most are raced by pro teams with very few changes from the standard showroom model, yet all of the ones you see on the street are strictly street-ridden. - - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:16:46 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Well, speaking as a (former) owner of an RS America, and as a true-blue 'Murican who loooves his a/c.... A couple of things to keep in mind on this topic. First, this summer aside, most of the United States is noticeably warmer and more humid than much of Western Europe during the hotter months of the year. Second, not everyone can afford to have both a track car and a street car. I'd wager a lot of money, in fact, that the great majority of cars being used at club driver's ed. events and such are really street cars that are used for, if not daily commuting, then certainly occasional street use. It's quite easy to live without electric windows, leather interiors, sunroofs, navigation systems, alarms, power locks, power mirrors, and even stereos, but the lack of air conditioning makes the car UNDRIVABLE in much of the United States for at least 8 weeks or more a year. You can make sacrifices to "live with" a street/track car, like living without the aforementioned luxury items, but for everyone except the most extreme hardcore, driving an E36 M3 or a RS America anywhere on the East coast in July is mostly ridiculous. Hence, why not sell the car with at least the OPTION of air conditioning? vty, - --Dennis - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robinson, Lee Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:33 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control > > Err, Rex was talking about cars like the 911 RS America > (decontented 911 > designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), the Miata Clubsport > (decontented > Miata designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), etc. But what's the point of buying a car like that if you're going to have A/C? Either you want a racecar or you want a street car, right? Damn would I ever love to have an RS America.....bought a Saab instead....what was I thinking. Oh wait I already have a sports car.....it's just been over-contented for the US market. > > - Mark > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:27:52 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Mobil 1 Packaging (was E46 M3 oil...) on 8/22/03 12:27 PM, "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only place I've ever seen the 5 qt Mobil 1 is at a Detroit area > Wal-Mart. I bought 4 last time I was there. I've never seen it here in > Columbus. Wal-Mart here in Fort Wayne (Indiana) has them too, but not all the time. Never seen these 5 qt jugs in any other store. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:28:58 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Digital Climate Control At 03:32 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Robinson, Lee wrote: > > > > Err, Rex was talking about cars like the 911 RS America > > (decontented 911 > > designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), the Miata Clubsport > > (decontented > > Miata designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), etc. > >But what's the point of buying a car like that if you're going to have A/C? >Either you want a racecar or you want a street car, right? Because the market for single purpose track cars that are based on production cars is extremely small. However, the market for dual purpose cars (cars that can be driven on the street, autox, and track) is probably a magnitude or two larger. I personally don't care that BMW made M3 LTW's without A/C, but because they did, it was one of the reasons they sat on showroom floors unsold for years! - -- Rex Tener [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:54:19 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Mobil 1 Packaging (was E46 M3 oil...) Farm & Fleet in Sycamore IL carries the 5 qt jugs sometimes. The cases of quart bottles are always available for Approx $27/case. I realize that this information is irrelevant to most of you, however my main point is that the 5 quart jugs are not Wal-mart only. Another data point. Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 5 Spd Steel Blue Metallic SP 1995 M3 5 Spd Arctic Silver > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Maller > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Re: Mobil 1 Packaging (was E46 M3 oil...) > > > on 8/22/03 12:27 PM, "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The only place I've ever seen the 5 qt Mobil 1 is at a Detroit area > > Wal-Mart. I bought 4 last time I was there. I've never > seen it here > > in Columbus. > > Wal-Mart here in Fort Wayne (Indiana) has them too, but not > all the time. Never seen these 5 qt jugs in any other store. > > Neil > 96 M3 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:08:51 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Digital Climate Control Robinson, Lee at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Err, Rex was talking about cars like the 911 RS America >> (decontented 911 >> designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), the Miata Clubsport >> (decontented >> Miata designed for Club Racing, A/C optional), etc. > > But what's the point of buying a car like that if you're going to have A/C? > Either you want a racecar or you want a street car, right? > Saving 150 lbs (instead of 200 lbs) over a regular 911? They left out a lot of stuff, like sound deadening, that's pretty painful to remove after-the-fact. > Damn would I ever love to have an RS America..... > You and me both! - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:37:25 -0700 From: "T WALROD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW, Harley. Harley, BMW. The lad that parks his '56 hardtail in my garage sent me this. He's kind of a "loud pipes save lives" kinda guy. <http://groups.msn.com/SKYPottery/bmw.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=141> Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:51:48 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] BMW, Harley. Harley, BMW. That's beautiful. Real or PhotoShop? - - Rob - ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] BMW, Harley. Harley, BMW. >The lad that parks his '56 hardtail in my garage sent me this. He's >kind of >a "loud pipes save lives" kinda guy. > ><http://groups.msn.com/SKYPottery/bmw.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1 >41> > >Tom ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6690 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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