[uucdigest] Saturday, August 30 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6714
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 [uuc] Insurance Claim Thread Re: [uuc] diminished value claims [uuc] E28 parts sources wanted Re: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 Re: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 Re: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice Re: [uuc] E30 Rear Diff Bushing Part Numbers [uuc] Re: Engine weights [uuc] Sanity Regained, It's Not Me, It's the Diff <longish> [uuc] "M52 Big Six"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:17:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 Got a friend considering the purchase of a new E46 coupe. He's trying to decide between a 330ci and a 325ci... and I told him I'd try to find somebody who could tell us details about the differences between the two. What do you get with the 330 besides the bigger motor? Is there a suspension upgrade? Anything else? - - Kevin Jay '96 328is, red/tan, 80K, usual suspension upgrades, stock motor, needs gears ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:31:24 -0700 From: Michael Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Insurance Claim Thread Can we end this insurance claim thread. My finger is getting all cramped up from scrolling down through it. Thanks, Mike Holbrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:25:48 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] diminished value claims Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis Liu wrote: > > So, we're agreed then, even if it's only a matter of a few dollars, > > there IS a difference in value? [...] to sell the first [wracked] > > car to the buyer, one would have to LOWER THE PRICE. That > > difference is the diminution in value. Again, this is true whether > > the diminution in value is $5,000, $500, $50 or $5. > > No we are not agreed, and likely never will. I already answered this > once. If, and only IF there is a difference in value, it would not be > the large figures most of you seem to imagine it would be. Well, Neil, the state of Texas clearly disagrees with you. A good number of local club member had received DM check from the insurance companies for not-at-fault accidents. Not surprisingly, there is a direct correlation between the newness of a vehicle and the size of DM payout. From what I can gather, the payouts are in 5-15% of vehicle's value, or $500-3500 range. I guess the crux of the matter is not whether the car can or was repaired competently, but the risk that it was not. Any knowledgeable consumer will demand to be compensated for accepting that risk. YMMV, alex f P.S.: I changed the subject to distance this thread from one person's dead-end demands to be reimbursed for a new BMW rental costs because someone cracked his rear bumper cover. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:02:17 -0600 From: "L & J Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E28 parts sources wanted Does anyone know of a source for weather stripping, the rubber channel that the window closes into? I also need a headliner for my sunroof, the interior is pearl biege. The car is a 1985 535. Thanks any help is greatly appreciated. Jeff Howe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:35:48 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 Worthwhile to consider: 330 ZHP "Performance Package" with the new 6-speed and even more motor (re-tuned cams, software, exhaust, higher redline), suspension, interior stuff. By many accounts, an E36 M3 in E46 clothing. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 > Got a friend considering the purchase of a new E46 coupe. He's trying to > decide between a 330ci and a 325ci... and I told him I'd try to find somebody > who could tell us details about the differences between the two. What do you > get with the 330 besides the bigger motor? Is there a suspension upgrade? > Anything else? > > - Kevin Jay > '96 328is, red/tan, 80K, usual suspension upgrades, stock motor, needs gears ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E46> 330 -vs- 325 On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) wrote: > Got a friend considering the purchase of a new E46 coupe. He's trying to > decide between a 330ci and a 325ci... and I told him I'd try to find somebody > who could tell us details about the differences between the two. What do you > get with the 330 besides the bigger motor? Is there a suspension upgrade? > Anything else? Kevin, Bigger motor, different gearbox, different wheels, and more standard options in the 330Ci. Everything else should be the same. - --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:37:06 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice Oh, that M52. That is based on the M30 "big block". Those engines, as well as the M88 and S38 variants do weigh upwards of 500 lb. The current S52 is based on the small block engine and weighs considerably less, about 400 I'd guess. Gary Derian > That's my point. I think the "oft quoted" list refers to the M52 found > here -- > > http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1972/1972%20Cars.html > > Scroll down to the 2800 CS. It lists a M52. How much that M52 is related > to today's M52 is beyond me. The "oft quoted" list should be doubted. > > Marco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:10:11 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E30 Rear Diff Bushing Part Numbers Thanks, Brett and Ed. 1128 492 is a metal reinforced bushing that has openings in it. I have verified it being on a 325iX, and have seen what appears to be the same bushing on other iX diffs. 1134 802 is a solid rubber bushing (no openings) that I have verified being on a 325iX, and have seen what appears to be the same bushing on other iX diffs and on a 1987 325is. At first I assumed that the metal-reinforced bushing must be the newer, stiffer one. However, upon closer examination, the solid rubber bushing actually looks more rigid (no openings) -- and presumably newer. It is strange that the newer bushing (the solid rubber one) would be on an older car -- the 1987 325is. Perhaps the 325is bushing looks the same but isn't. Stan > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:09:28 -0400 > From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [uuc] E30 Rear Diff Bushing Part Numbers > > 33 17 1 128 492 supersedes to 33 17 1 135 244 which then supersedes to 33 > 17 1 134 802. > > All three do the same thing, can't tell you what the differences are, but it > could just be a different manufacturer. > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stan Jackson Jr. > > Wondering if someone could check on this for me. One of the following two > > parts has presumably superceded the other. Which is the old part > > and which > > is the new part? They are both rear diff bushings for the E30. Sorry, I > > don't have complete part numbers. > > > > 1134 802 > > 1128 492 > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:48:11 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Engine weights on 8/29/03 12:06 AM, "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The AC compressor on an S52 is literally half the size of that on the S14. > Headers are 1/3rd the size, and don't forget the intake is plastic. > > PS pump is similar in size, not sure about weight. Alternator is about > 2/3rds the size. Just for fun I looked up some of these weights (all in kg): S52 S14 ===== ===== AC compressor 6.42 8.17 Intake manifold(s) 2.80 5.39 Exhaust manifold(s) 5.50 6.22 PS pump 2.22 1.84 Alternator 5.81 6.40 ----- ----- Total 22.75 28.02 Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:03:50 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Sanity Regained, It's Not Me, It's the Diff <longish> A few days ago I was questioning my sanity and mechanical skills when I was not able to install side seals in a used 3.91:1 LSD I bought off the Internet for my 1990 325i. Now my sanity is restored, and my skills are, um, less questionable. When this thing arrived, I was disappointed that the case was rusty. I guess they're not all California cars. I decided it needed cleaning and probably painting before I installed it. Meanwhile I promised my old noisy 3.73:1 LSD to Donna Seeley. So it isn't helping our friendship that I just haven't had time to work on this thing until now, and she's still driving around with her slippy slidey open diff. I got the old seals out (thanks for all the suggestions, but I ended up using a method recommended by a co-worker who worked his way through college repairing transmission and diffs and rebuilding engines). I used a small gear puller and the old seals popped right out. Replacing the split rings that "hold" the output shafts in place was not difficult. (Side note - the new seals don't look the same as the ones that came out, but hey, part numbers get superseded, improvements are made, I'm sure there is a perfectly logical explanation for the difference.) So I attempt to drive in the new seals, using the "custom" installation tool that a friend recently used for the same task - an ABS pipe coupling. And they don't drive in. And using the "bigger hammer" approach, I manage to bend 3 seals to the point where I don't want to use them. A quick check with the Digests and both Brett Anderson and Rich Dorffer comfirm that I have the right seals. So I concluded that I lacked the skills to do the job and solicited some local Bimmerheads for recommendations on local shops to do the work. Donna suggested that I see Pete at Pete's Gear Shop in Hayward, CA. I only had one remaining seal, but Donna would be showing up with more of them later. Pete decided to get on it right away. But the seal does not go in for him either. So he puts the diff up on his workbench, takes out some abbrasive materials, and proceeds to clean up the bore. Probably all gooked up from the old seal, sure, that's it. But the seal still does not go in. So out comes the micrometer. Inside bore of the side diff opening = 65mm. Outside diameter of the new seal = 67mm. Out come Pete's reference manuals and parts books. And Pete confirms that I have the right seals. So that can only mean one thing - I have the wrong diff. BTW, the books show that most seals are about 0.2mm larger in diameter than the bore in which they're to be installed. My 2mm difference is way too much. (And Barry, your freeze-the-seal suggestion was interesting, but it was not gonna help here.) Before I leave, Pete gives me some part numbers that will work in this diff with the output shafts I have, so I have options. Back home, I put the back of the car up on jack stands and slide underneath with the "new" diff and a tape measure. Sure enough, the two diffs are different. (The similar designs had led me to believe that they were the same, but now I know more. Oh well.) The rear covers are different - on my car, the back of the rear bushing is on the same plane with the back of the cover. On the replacement diff, the rear bushing sits about 1.5 inches to the rear of the cover. The diff in my car is about 11.5 inches long, not including the cover. The replacement is more like 10.5 inches long. If I line up the rear bushings, the output shaft openings appear to be in pretty much the same place. But the input flange is not in the same place. I remember back when I bought the diff, I asked the seller what car it was out of. He said it came from an E30 325is. I was guessing that it must have been an automatic, as the 3.91:1 ratio was used with some E30 automatics. Now I wonder if the guy just told me what I wanted to hear? Too bad so much time has passed since I bought it, I'm sure I'm stuck with the thing. So at this point, my only question (and probably Brett is the only one who will be able to answer, or is certainly the most qualified of the various list members) is: Is there some combination of parts that will allow this diff to work properly in my car, or am I SOL? Like, would it require a different or modified drive shaft? Will this thing even bolt to my subframe? Thanks to anyone who has read this far, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i w/ Donna future noisy 3.73:1 LSD diff 1991 325iA all stock, daughter is learning how to drive in it right now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:19:56 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] "M52 Big Six"? One of the URLs points to a text page listing BMW's M52 engine as a "3.3/3.5 Big Six". I have no idea what one of those is, and nor I suspect does the author. It is a fair bet that an iron-block M30 big six (of varying capacities, stretching from 2.8 to 3.8) weighs a good 500 lb all-in. An M52, based on the M60 small-block six (which was renamed M20 for the E30 series, and then became M50 with 24 valves) is made of aluminium, and is smaller. That same page lists an M60 small six as 388 lb all in. Given that the M52 is aluminium, and given that ancillaries tend to get smaller and lighter over time, I would bet that a complete M52 weighs an awful lot less than the LS6 engine. However that's not to say the LS6 is a lardy thing. For a 5.7 V8, 500 lb is a terrific achievement. Andy T ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6714 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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