[uucdigest] Friday, August 29 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6713
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(part2) RE: [uuc] E30 Rear Diff Bushing Part Numbers [uuc] re <Z3> central lock Q RE: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Hovell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [update] Someone hit my BMW! Advice sought... Alex -- > Contrary to public sentiments, insurance adjustors don't make a penny from > the money they deny to/"screw" the claimants. They just want to do what > they feel is right and fair as quickly as possible. This process is not > personal, unless you make it so to your own detriment! Well, I have heard from several sources that Progressive claims adjusters are paid bonuses (up to $25k/year) based on how little they write out. I've heard this from several sources, including Peter Imamura at B-Line Body Shop in San Jose, CA (considered to be the gold standard in BMW repair in the Bay Area) and this gentleman has been in the insurance business for at least twenty years. I trust him. And, believe me, if I were lucky enough to own an insurance company, this is without doubt the way I would pay my adjusters. Otherwise there is no incentive for them to make me *as much money* as possible! Writing big checks would only make their job easier... > If you stick with the regular body shop estimate process, eventually the > insurance company will ask you in whose name should they cut the check. > THAT is when you give them your name instead of the body shop's (because > you are still shopping for a shop, you know). Case closed. Money in the > pocket. Everyone is happy. Yes, after I left my car there several days while the Farmers claim rep takes his sweet time to stop by. Most likely the shop will charge me a storage fee, if not a tear down charge as well. And of course I will have been without the vehicle. Again, I was not given this option if I said up front I wanted a cash payout. - - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice The 'oft-quoted' list could be wrong. I have my suspicions about an engine that weighs exactly 500 lbs. But, the list is indeed oft-quoted, which is why I used the term. Is it right? You are in a much better position to know than I am. Personally, I prefer the engine I currently have in the M3. If I wanted the power of an LS6, I'd get a Z06. A sampling of the oft-quoted list: http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html http://www.chra.org.au/tips/engine_weights.htm http://www.ftr.btinternet.co.uk/Main/engine.htm http://www.classictruckshop.com/enigne_weights.asp http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/enumber.html http://www.aviator.cc/weights2.txt http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/misc/EngineWeights.html http://www.241computers.com/ford/ContentExpress20-30-38.html http://www.35pickup.com/mulligan/weight.txt Jason - --- KMS - Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Either that "oft-quoted" list of weights was written > by a drunk, or BMW has > gone to some *VERY* heavy accessories. > > The shipping weight of an M52 long block is 298.5lb. > The alternator, PS > pump, AC compressor, Exhaust manifolds and intake do > NOT weigh 200lb > combined. 100, maybe. > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Jason Knight > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:43 PM > > As far as I can tell the LS6 in the Vette is > lighter > > than an M52 (engine - not the WWII German tank). > > There's an oft-quoted list of weights on the 'net > > putting the M52 engine at 500 lbs. The LS6 is > stated > > as 497.2 lbs with accessories. Nothing like a set > of > > good old fashioned push rods. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:31:16 -0700 From: marco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice Well... the reference note for the M52 implies the author states "(2) Complete Handbook of Automotive Power Trains, Jan Norbye, 1981" I really doubt all the accesorries on the 1981 or prior M52 weighed the same as the circa 1990s engines. Marco Jason Knight wrote: > The 'oft-quoted' list could be wrong. I have my > suspicions about an engine that weighs exactly 500 > lbs. But, the list is indeed oft-quoted, which is why > I used the term. Is it right? You are in a much > better position to know than I am. > > Personally, I prefer the engine I currently have in > the M3. If I wanted the power of an LS6, I'd get a > Z06. > > A sampling of the oft-quoted list: > > http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html > http://www.chra.org.au/tips/engine_weights.htm > http://www.ftr.btinternet.co.uk/Main/engine.htm > http://www.classictruckshop.com/enigne_weights.asp > http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/enumber.html > http://www.aviator.cc/weights2.txt > http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/misc/EngineWeights.html > http://www.241computers.com/ford/ContentExpress20-30-38.html > http://www.35pickup.com/mulligan/weight.txt > > Jason > --- KMS - Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>Either that "oft-quoted" list of weights was written >>by a drunk, or BMW has >>gone to some *VERY* heavy accessories. >> >>The shipping weight of an M52 long block is 298.5lb. >> The alternator, PS >>pump, AC compressor, Exhaust manifolds and intake do >>NOT weigh 200lb >>combined. 100, maybe. >> >>Brett Anderson >>KMS >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf >> >>Of Jason Knight >> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:43 PM >>>As far as I can tell the LS6 in the Vette is >> >>lighter >> >>>than an M52 (engine - not the WWII German tank). >>>There's an oft-quoted list of weights on the 'net >>>putting the M52 engine at 500 lbs. The LS6 is >> >>stated >> >>>as 497.2 lbs with accessories. Nothing like a set >> >>of >> >>>good old fashioned push rods. >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:38:02 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice the M50 was designed in 1988-1989 Ed marco wrote: > > I really doubt all the accessories on the 1981 or prior M52 weighed > the same as the circa 1990s engines. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Hovell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [update] Someone hit my BMW! Advice sought... (part2) On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Mark and Heather Williams wrote: > >I believe all I have to show is that the cost of my repair is > >*reasonable* in a court of law. > > > yup.. but define reasonable... do you even know what a reasonable > repair is? As I mentioned in an earlier e-mail, I *think* -- but do not know -- one could argue reasonable in this case means at or close to a fair market value for the work performed. Of course you can define the work performed how you would want "car repair," "BMW repair," "'exotic' car repair," "'exotic car' bumper cover replacement," whatever. Perhaps someone with actual legal training can chime in here? > > If someone wrecks my Ferrari, no one is going to be able to > >to competently repair my vehicle at $60/hr. Frankly, I don't believe > >my BMW is a "standard" vehicle (rental car companies actually rate > >it an exotic, as I have found out) and I'm not convinced it deserves > >"standard" repairs -- whatever "standard" means in this context, > > > "standard" per Webster's... definition #5 > > " Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely > recognized or employed, > especially because of its excellence. " You have quoted the definition for the noun. We are talking about adjectives. Check your dictionary again, and while I realize it may have been unintentional, please do not twist what I say. For example, in my last email, I mentioned B-Line Body shop is considered the gold standard in BMW repair in the Bay Area. OTOH, Joe's Auto Body does standard repairs. See the difference? > As much as I love BMWs, for the most part there's nothing exotic about > them... > A Z8... that's exotic... A 760IL.. again.. exotic... M5... borderline > exotic.. > A 330i or 530i or even an E36 or E46 M3 hardly defines exotic... I said said very clearly all (that I could find) *rental car agencies* -- not me -- classify BMW's as exotics. Again, I kindly ask you not to twist what I say. Maybe this wasn't directed at me, but instead the rental car agencies in question, but in that case I don't see the point. I'm willing to bet if I had been driving a Ferrari and gotten hit, no insurance company in California would be renting one for me :) even though California law clearly states that I am entitled to one, or reasonable rental rental fees for one. Additionally, I have seen a car that has had trouble being corner-balanced after marginal bodywork (that the owner didn't know about). Anyways, while trying not to appear dismissive, I think the rest of this email seems to address your opinions and anecdotes about car repair procedures and the insurance industry in general. I have been quoting actual California laws as I find them, which I think are far more relevant to my *legal* case. As previously stated, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not in the insurance industry. This will be a learning experience for sure. For now, for both of our sakes, we should probably stop discussing this :). The questions I need to answer seem to be multiplying rapidly I unfortunately don't have that much free time. Honestly, this is not a cop-out, but just since I started writing I see 3 more people have replied to which I would like to send replies. I'll update the forum when I resolve this issue (at the time of this writing the Farmers manager still hasn't called me back). Really, thanks for taking the time to share with me your inside knowledge of the insurance industry. Best, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:09:28 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E30 Rear Diff Bushing Part Numbers 33 17 1 128 492 supersedes to 33 17 1 135 244 which then supersedes to 33 17 1 134 802. All three do the same thing, can't tell you what the differences are, but it could just be a different manufacturer. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stan Jackson Jr. > Wondering if someone could check on this for me. One of the following two > parts has presumably superceded the other. Which is the old part > and which > is the new part? They are both rear diff bushings for the E30. Sorry, I > don't have complete part numbers. > > 1134 802 > 1128 492 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:21:13 -0400 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re <Z3> central lock Q my Z3 trunk doesn't lock/unlock with central locking- it is not in valet mode, and I've swapped in a new lock motor and still get no joy hanging a DVM on the 2 wires going to the motor, I don't see any +12v or -12v blip when I engage central locking (via the lock motor itself by moving the plunger, or via the drivers door)- the meter stays on 0v.. maybe registering a few millivolts momentarily, but that's it. looking at the ETM it looks like the trunk lock motor wires are spliced off the same ones which go to the two doors..and they lock/unlock fine.. I'm wondering what the other electrical bit attached to the lock mechanism is- two wire connector coming in, and a big ground connection when the trunk is closed. Wires are brown and brown/white. Is there some kind of switch which tells the computer that the trunk is open or closed? or is this something else? any ideas would be welcome thanks chris pawlowicz '99 z3 2.8, '89 325i, '74 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:41:54 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice That's my point. I think the "oft quoted" list refers to the M52 found here -- http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1972/1972%20Cars.html Scroll down to the 2800 CS. It lists a M52. How much that M52 is related to today's M52 is beyond me. The "oft quoted" list should be doubted. Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed MacVaugh Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOT> Z06 vette advice the M50 was designed in 1988-1989 Ed marco wrote: > > I really doubt all the accessories on the 1981 or prior M52 weighed > the same as the circa 1990s engines. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6713 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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