[uucdigest] Saturday, September 20 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6769
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: E36 O2 sensor removal Re: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB [uuc] Re: Wtihdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB RE: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB Re: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB [uuc] Re: Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB [uuc] WTB: E36 Rear ABS Sensor Re: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal Re: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: E36 O2 sensor removal - --- david kroth wrote: > What's the best tool for removing an E36 O2 > sensor? I found the answer to my own question. This morning I went over to AutoZone and asked to buy an oxygen sensor socket. I figured I'd get a generic one and make due. The counterman says, "We've got them over here, but we rent them out for free." They gave me a kit containing three different types of sockets. A small deposit and I was on my way. I tried all three sockets for fit and access and one was just perfect for access from the bottom of the car. Job done in 30 minutes. I've borrowed tools from Pep Boys in the past but never though to ask about something as small as a socket... ===== David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:51:53 -0700 From: "James Tilley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB FWIW there is some discussion on www.sccaforums.com under the SSB thread wrt this specific issue. I personnally, would like to see SCCA come clean on this, acknowledge their mistakes, and put procedures in place that would reduce the chances of this happening again. On the surface, it appears that the Z4s got to where they were at legitimatley, and to be declared ineligible at this point is wrong unless it was a correction for a past error which some folks are making it out to be. As I recall there was a lot of discussion on the SCCA forums after the Z4 was placed in the class last fall/winter. However, the discussion centered not around whether or not it was properly classed but more around the fact that SCCA just upped the costs if you were going to be competitive in SSB. I was surprised but glad to see the Z4 classed in SSB to break the dominance of the Miata, and was even more glad to see an Acura Integra in the mix at the top of the qualifying session (now on pole). Go Z4s!!! Jim Tilley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:59:04 -0400 From: Rob Verenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Wtihdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB Brett said: >At the very least, it will let SCCA know that they have severely >screwed up. I sat down as soon as I got the message last night and composed a well-reasoned, thought-out response (had a fellow list member read it, those were his comments :) ) and sent it to every person on the list. Here's what one sent back this morning. Seems like they really care, eh? Guess my entry form for the BMWCCA Club Race gets filled out and mailed today, I'm sick of this SCCA BS. No wonder NASA is doing so well. - - rob - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Z4s in SSB Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:25:40 -0500 From: Stacey Grammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rob Verenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please pass the word that slamming the National office staff with this issue is NOT the way to handle your issues. Please contact the board directly. Filling up our inboxes will only waste the clubs money and our time. Member services does not have any say in the class rules. Thank You, Stacey Grammer SCCA Member Services/Central Licensing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:05:40 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB Y'know, those pricks really piss me off. I'd post a response but something's wrong with the registration system that enables one to post. Jim Leithauser is the "conflict of interest" all these assholes are referring to. Someone need to tell them to shut their friggin mouth unless they know something about what they are talking about. Leithauser was NOT on the comp board when the Z4 was classified. He WAS on the comp board when they added 50lbs to the car before it had even run a race. Also someone else on the SCCA board says that the "aftermarket" hard top they are using should have been grounds for disqualification. First, the GCR and SSS do NOT state it has to be a factory hard top. Second, they ARE factory hard tops. Third, the factory hard top is READILY available in the US through your local BMW dealer and has been for weeks. Hey Jim, if you're a registered member of the SCCA message boards, perhaps you'd forward these facts to those idiots. Thanks Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > FWIW there is some discussion on www.sccaforums.com under the SSB thread > wrt this specific issue. I personnally, would like to see SCCA come > clean on this, acknowledge their mistakes, and put procedures in place > that would reduce the chances of this happening again. On the surface, > it appears that the Z4s got to where they were at legitimatley, and to > be declared ineligible at this point is wrong unless it was a correction > for a past error which some folks are making it out to be. As I recall > there was a lot of discussion on the SCCA forums after the Z4 was placed > in the class last fall/winter. However, the discussion centered not > around whether or not it was properly classed but more around the fact > that SCCA just upped the costs if you were going to be competitive in > SSB. I was surprised but glad to see the Z4 classed in SSB to break the > dominance of the Miata, and was even more glad to see an Acura Integra > in the mix at the top of the qualifying session (now on pole). > > Go Z4s!!! > > Jim Tilley ____________________________________ 100% Spam Control by SpamEnder Free Download and Trial http://www.spamender.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:45:58 -0700 From: "James Tilley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB Hope you did not mind my posting your initial Email to the forum. I will edit out some of your response and post it. I am trying to stay objective in this discussion and am staying out of the brawl. Jim Leithauser did extremely well in campaigning his Z3 this year to qualify for the Runoffs. TCs talents are obvious and I do not know Nielsen(sp?). Point is, it was not just the car that qualified them 1, 2, 3. FWIW some of the posters to the forum thread are also on the SSB Qualifying list driving, what else, Miatas. Cheers, Jim Tilley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB > Y'know, those pricks really piss me off. > > I'd post a response but something's wrong with the registration system that > enables one to post. > > Jim Leithauser is the "conflict of interest" all these assholes are > referring to. Someone need to tell them to shut their friggin mouth unless > they know something about what they are talking about. > > Leithauser was NOT on the comp board when the Z4 was classified. He WAS on > the comp board when they added 50lbs to the car before it had even run a > race. > > Also someone else on the SCCA board says that the "aftermarket" hard top > they are using should have been grounds for disqualification. > > First, the GCR and SSS do NOT state it has to be a factory hard top. Second, > they ARE factory hard tops. Third, the factory hard top is READILY available > in the US through your local BMW dealer and has been for weeks. > > Hey Jim, if you're a registered member of the SCCA message boards, perhaps > you'd forward these facts to those idiots. > > Thanks > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > -----Original Message----- > > FWIW there is some discussion on www.sccaforums.com under the SSB thread > > wrt this specific issue. I personnally, would like to see SCCA come > > clean on this, acknowledge their mistakes, and put procedures in place > > that would reduce the chances of this happening again. On the surface, > > it appears that the Z4s got to where they were at legitimatley, and to > > be declared ineligible at this point is wrong unless it was a correction > > for a past error which some folks are making it out to be. As I recall > > there was a lot of discussion on the SCCA forums after the Z4 was placed > > in the class last fall/winter. However, the discussion centered not > > around whether or not it was properly classed but more around the fact > > that SCCA just upped the costs if you were going to be competitive in > > SSB. I was surprised but glad to see the Z4 classed in SSB to break the > > dominance of the Miata, and was even more glad to see an Acura Integra > > in the mix at the top of the qualifying session (now on pole). > > > > Go Z4s!!! > > > > Jim Tilley > ____________________________________ > 100% Spam Control by SpamEnder > Free Download and Trial > http://www.spamender.com/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:32:09 -0400 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB >Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:31:49 -0400 >From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [uuc] Withdrawal of Z4 Eligibility in SSB > >At the very least, it will let SCCA know that they have severely screwed up. An old friend and co-worker of mine sits on the SCCA Comp Board. I'm sure I can't reach him now but when he gets home from the Runoffs I can badger him for his explanation of what happened. He wasn't on your list but I've sent him an email. Power came on this morning. Sun is shining. Isabel is only a memory now, until I have to work on the trees that came down with it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:26:46 -0500 From: "Christian Els" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB: E36 Rear ABS Sensor Anybody parting an E36, removed the ABS from their race car, or otherwise have a spare speed sensor laying about? Same part for all E36, not Z3. On a related note, be careful removing your ABS sensors. Even with penetrating oil and rotating the sensor in its bore, I pulled the plastic head off the aluminum body on mine. Ooops. TIA. Christian Els Columbia, MO '94 325i ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:24:06 -0400 From: "Brian Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal That's called a crows foot wrench. Handy for lots of hard-to-reach fasteners. They're available in all sizes, not just for O2 sensors. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal > I found a tool that works very well on the E36. I'll try to explain it. I > know it's made by Performance Tool - I just bought it at a generic auto > parts store. > > It's a very shallow socket with a slot for the wire. But instead of having > the drive square on the back end of the socket, it is offset to the side - > that's what keeps it so shallow and allows for the wire to pass through the > socket. I use this in combination with a flex-head 1/2" ratchet and it > makes the job very easy. > > __ __ > / / \ \ > | | | | > \ \ ___/ / > \ __ / > | |__| | > | _____| > > Some bad ASCII to try to get the picture across. If you're anywhere near > the Detroit area, it's yours to use. > > Chris B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david kroth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:09 PM > Subject: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal > > > > > > > > What's the best tool for removing an E36 O2 > > sensor? > > > > The sensor is tucked in on the topside of the > > exhaust system at the crotch of pipe where it > > splits into two pieces. Is a generic 22mm O2 > > sensor socket going to work, or is there a > > special BMW tool for the job? > > > > Note to anyone changing out a clutch: consider > > the 02 sensor while you have the exhaust out of > > the car (in addition to the flex disk and exhaust > > hangers/hardware). > > > > > > ===== > > David Kroth > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:34:53 -0400 From: "Brian Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal A flex-head ratchet also helps. IIRC you can't turn a regular ratchet very far due to the position of the O2 sensor relative to the floorpan and other obstructions. A cheater pipe may also be necessary for additional leverage. Brian '94 325ic - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 O2 sensor removal > Sounds like the same setup my e34 525i has - I bought an O2 sensor socket from > Bavarian Autosport - $15. It is a socket with a hex on the end and a slot to > accomodate the wire. It didn't make the job easy, but it was not impossible. > :) > > Cheers. > > > > > > What's the best tool for removing an E36 O2 > > sensor? > > > > The sensor is tucked in on the topside of the > > exhaust system at the crotch of pipe where it > > splits into two pieces. Is a generic 22mm O2 > > sensor socket going to work, or is there a > > special BMW tool for the job? > > > > Note to anyone changing out a clutch: consider > > the 02 sensor while you have the exhaust out of > > the car (in addition to the flex disk and exhaust > > hangers/hardware). > > > > > > ===== > > David Kroth > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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