[uucdigest] Saturday, October 4 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6794
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #6793 Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Summary [uuc] WANTED 91 M5 SEAT MOTOR [uuc] Need help with ZKW euro headlight connector E36 [uuc] Re: <SAV> X5 vs Touareg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg I had a chance to drive the X5 3.0, Cayenne S, and Cayenne Turbo (not back to back). X5 was the first SUV I have driven after a long time (last time was a Bronco). In terms of street driving, I think it drove pretty nice. Pretty much something you should expect from BMW. I didn't get close look, but I think the trunk/cargo area looked small. I think my M Coupe rivals the X5 in trunk space. Assuming the Cayenne S is similar to the touareg, I thought it was about as good as the X5. I had a chance to drive the Cayenne in a very spirited manner. I noticed when powering out of turns the tranny was always a gear too high and hung around there for a couple seconds. But that steptronic thing would probably solve that, and SUV's are not really for that kind of fun. The turbo was pretty much the same, but with more power. Cayenne's interiors seemed nicer than the X5. Overall I think driving-wise they seemed to be about equal in "niceness". If the Touareg is close to what the Cayenne is like. I would probably go for the Touareg over the X5. I say that because it looks like you can get similar bells and whistles and spend about $5000 less for the touareg. Mike - --- Clan Hood-Douda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are looking to replace our '88 735i with either > of these two vehicles. > Has anyone out there done a comparison of the two > and would like to comment? > > We are looking for reasonable towing (7700lbs for > the V8 Touareg) and room > for five, plus AWD. > > thanks, > > Mike > > --------------------------------------- > Clan Hood-Douda - Arcadia Farm > Lacomb, Oregon > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:22:55 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Clan Hood-Douda wrote: > We are looking for reasonable towing (7700lbs for the > V8 Touareg) and room for five, plus AWD. a friend has had a Toureg for evaluation purposes and it is a TOTAL POS. it's had a bunch of little trim-related things fall off/break/function intermittently and threw a check-engine light that the dealer couldn't make go away, so they left it behind on their testing trip, lest they be stranded by in the middle of nowhere. having said that, I think the Toureg looks better in a new-is-different sort of way as compared to the X5 and with some of the build-quality issues sorted out I suspect it will be a nice option. I'd take the V10 turbodiesel when they get it for sale here... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg I'll get it for this. While the BMW is nice the Toureg excels it in almost every way. After driving them both extensively I much prefer the VW. I have a neighbor/friend that had a 4.4 and now a 4.6is and while that is a great highway truck it still ride poorly due to the suspension/wheel/tire set up on Chicago area roads. Handling? Well the 4.6 is superior, duh! But he VW with the sport package is no slouch either with a much better ride. More quiet inside. Better off road. We all know the X5 is coming up for a replacement soon. I'm sure it will surpass the VW in most respects when that happens. Personally, I'd wait until jan-march for the V10 TDI. It will be here and be the best foreign towing vehicle you can buy. Jason - --- Clan Hood-Douda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are looking to replace our '88 735i with either > of these two vehicles. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Some trim piece fall off a probable pre-production model and it's a total POS? Come on man. Give me a break....I can say the same thing about MANY new BMWs too. My Z3 was a prime example. That was a POS. Yes it was an early production car. But it still spent ohhh....4 of the first 7 months in the shop due to electrical issues that couldn't't get solved until someone from Spartenburg came up and installed an entire new wiring harness. Or our 92 325i that dropped 3 transmissions, a cam seal, 6 ignition coils, a water pump, a real diff seal all in the first 26 months of ownership. I've had 2 new VWs in the past 3 years and yes, some of the quality isn't to BMW standards but they cost half the price. I have had ZERO issues with them and about 100K worth of driving. Some issue did crop up, but it was due to ME modifying the cars WAY beyond what they were at the factory. That said it isn't a total POS it has some minor "issues". Jason - --- ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a friend has had a Toureg for evaluation purposes > and it is a TOTAL POS. > > Ben > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg I've driven neither, but I have towed an enclosed trailer with a 3000 pound car in it (guessing around 6000 or 7000 pounds total). We previously had a Chevy 1500 with the 5.3 which I felt was a little under powered and a bit "light weight" for the job, and recently went to a 2500 HD with the 6.6l diesel, which feels perfect. Personally, I would be reluctant to tow anywhere near that 7000 lbs with an X5 or a Touareg. Of course, I'm a total paranoiac when it comes to towing. Jason - --- Clan Hood-Douda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We are looking for reasonable towing (7700lbs for > the V8 Touareg) and room > for five, plus AWD. > > thanks, > > Mike > > --------------------------------------- > Clan Hood-Douda - Arcadia Farm > Lacomb, Oregon > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:26:31 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Jason Daniels wrote: > Some trim piece fall off a probable pre-production > model and it's a total POS? Come on man. Give me a > break.... not a pre-production car, an off the dealer floor customer car. he works for Subaru, not VW. I suspect they'll get their issues sorted out, but I've not been impressed with some of the build quality I've seen on some VW's. they look _really_ nice, but stuff has a tendency to break. plus, every dealer we ever dealt with on my wife's GTI was incompetent scum, so I'd be very hesitant to get one. I still think the Phaeton will be the ultimate 2 year old used car, since it will lose an incredible amount of it's value quickly. I bet it makes E38 depreciation look like a sound investment... Ben no issues with the Subaru, BMW's are all good (but very old) too... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:34:28 -0500 From: "Robert M. Ellsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #6793 Just a little comment: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([uucdigest]) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:15:58 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uucdigest] V3 #6793 <<snipped from posts>> >>> AkeBono: Lead singer for AkeU2. >>> (Stupid... I know.) >>> AkeJay >> >> Not as stupid as AkeBonobo, which crossed my mind immediately. >> >> http://www.bonobo.org/whatisabonobo.html >> >> - Rob Speaking as someone at the heart of the original controversy: Manuel de Icaza wanted to call the architecture BABOON (in keeping with that (imho stupid) GNU/HURD naming protocol. Some of us in GNOME argued strenuously that a 'better' name was desirable. Hence 'bonobo', which preserved the acronymics (and animal reference) but at least got rid of the reference to an unpleasant, sexually weird, attack-hardwired primate... So it is NOT particularly stupid, considering the alternative! (But one could also argue that BONOBO is a GENOME designed by a committee -- but decided by a single empowered individual... such are the 'joys' of bazaar-developed open source... If the pads were 'sticky' or had grip like taffy, would the company be AkeBonomo? RME ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Real good point about the VW service....Wow! They make the american car dealers look stellar. Sad.... I couldn't imagine the people with Paethns putting up with the sh*t service VW gives for long. Maybe that's why they are giving a loaner car and picking up/dropping off the cars so the clients don't have to see the idiots working on their cars. Jason > not a pre-production car, an off the dealer floor > customer > car. he works for Subaru, not VW. > > I suspect they'll get their issues sorted out, but > I've not > been impressed with some of the build quality I've > seen > on some VW's. they look _really_ nice, but stuff > has > a tendency to break. plus, every dealer we ever > dealt > with on my wife's GTI was incompetent scum, so > I'd be very hesitant to get one. > > I still think the Phaeton will be the ultimate 2 > year old > used car, since it will lose an incredible amount of > it's > value quickly. I bet it makes E38 depreciation look > like > a sound investment... > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:11:10 -0700 From: "Clan Hood-Douda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Summary Thanks for all the replies. Many of them support other reviews and comments posted by owners or potential owners. The Bad: Early production units (maybe still an issue) build quality issues VW dealership responses to customer issues VWofA responses to customer issues Current lack of the V10 TDI (500+lbft @2K rpm WooHOO) Some concern that the V8 equipped T-reg will be hard pressed to fulfill the tow requirements The Good: Very good offroad manners Very good onroad manners Quiet as a luxury SAV should be Better looking than the Cayenne (subjective) Mike - --------------------------------------- Clan Hood-Douda - Arcadia Farm Lacomb, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WANTED 91 M5 SEAT MOTOR Group, I need a seat motor for my 91 M5. It is the gear-motor that drives the cushion underneath your knees/legs. This is the cushion that slides towards and away from the dashboard while under your knees/legs. I hope that this makes sense? Anyone?? Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:15:52 -0700 From: Greg Cagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Need help with ZKW euro headlight connector E36 This morning, while dorking around with the headlight wiring (ZKW E36 euros), I managed to break one of the little metal ends that go on the end of the headlight wires and fit inside the round plastic connector. I'd like to get a bunch of these and go back and do the whole thing right - any idea where I can get them? Radio Shack? Hopefully not the dealer 8^). Thanks. - - Greg - -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:16:48 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <SAV> X5 vs Touareg Mike from Oregon wrote: > We are looking to replace our '88 735i with either of these > two vehicles. Has anyone out there done a comparison of > the two and would like to comment? > We are looking for reasonable towing (7700lbs for the > V8 Touareg) and room for five, plus AWD. I have not driven a Touareg (or Cayenne) yet, but since they both have a wheelbase only one inch longer than the 111" of the X5 they would not be my first choice to tow a 7,770 pound trailer. Since loaded V8 Touareg will cost over $60K out the door why not buy a clean used late model 3.0L X5 for under $30K (or if you don't need 4wd every day a used 5 or 7) and get a used 4x4 pickup (with a nice stable 130" + wheelbase) for under $10K for heavy towing. In the past year I've towed open race car trailers and boats with my 108" wheelbase Range Rover, a friends 111" wheelbase 3.0L X5 and another friends almost 140" wheelbase Dodge V8 pickup. The Dodge is much more stable on the freeway, the engine has more low end tourque and would be my first choice if I had to tow anything. 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