[uucdigest] Friday, October 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6805
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Re: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story [uuc] <E36> Balky shifting [uuc] <E36> control arm conundrum RE:[uuc] [E30] Diff cover torque specs RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story SOLD --Re: [uuc] FS: Blaupunkt (old school look) New Orleans CD125 RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Re: [uuc] <WTB><E36><M50> Known good DME for 1993 325is, plus Dinan RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Re: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:49:12 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Brad wrote: >It's a sad day when something like this happens. >The man who died over the weekend in what officials >said might have been a speed contest on Santiago >Canyon Road was identified Monday as James O. Wimani, >19, of Fountain Valley. >Wimani was a passenger in a 2003 BMW M3 driven by >David Huie, 20, of Huntington Beach A while back a 16 year old High School kid in N. California died in a Corvette Z06 his parents bought him for his birthday. I was out with a bunch of friends after the story was in the news and every guy with us admitted that they probably would not be here today if they had a 400hp car at 16. When I was in High School it was scary when kids were racing cars with about 100 hp (like my 2002 and 914) on mountain roads. It's sad but we will probably see a lot more stories like the one above if parents keep buying their kids cars with 300+ hp. Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:35:16 -0700 From: C Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story > It's sad but we > will probably see a lot more stories like the one above if parents keep > buying their kids cars with 300+ hp. I chalk it up to natural selection. If the parents are that stupid, the kids couldn't have had a very deep gene pool to draw from. - -- Corey Sattler 99 AvusBlau 318ti Sport - -=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:08:47 -0700 From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> Balky shifting Gruppe: With the seasons changing and the temperature dropping, the gearbox in my E36 318is is getting cranky again, continuing a trend that started last winter. To wit: when the gearbox is cold, I'm finding that it is reluctant to comply with gear selection that requires the selector shaft to be pulled out of the gearbox, most notably shifting _out_ of 4th gear, which requires an undue amount of force. There is no grinding or jumping out of gear. Getting into 1st seems to be no worse than normal*, as is shifting out of 2nd. Every so often, getting into 3rd will not be feel totally smooth, but it slots in with no extra resistance. It seems that the 3rd/4th gear plane is where the problem likes to manifest itself most. (*normal E36 notchy gearbox standards) A new twist of late is a slight detent-like feel moving the lever laterally into the 1st/2nd gear plane, coinciding with some difficulty trying to find and shift into 1st. Perhaps this is related to the 'rests in 5th gear plane' problem documented in the Roundel, which also occurs occasionally. Once the gearbox is warmed up, all symptoms disappear. In what may only be a odd coincidence, all of these symptoms seemed only to develop after the last fluid change with Red Line D4 ATF. Previous fills with D4 and MTL have been no problem. The car has a 325/M3 shift lever from ShifterFest II, and while not completely slop free, it doesn't feel like anything in the linkage is in need of immediate attention. Any suggestions? A linkage/selector shaft/seal problem? Internal shift fork problem? Fluid problem? Is the gearbox going to go out with an implosion worthy of an Aamco commercial? TIA Herman 92 318is 93k ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:08:42 -0700 From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> control arm conundrum Greetings again: Low speed encounters with botts dots, driveways, and other low amplitude bumps tell me that either my (original) balljoints or control arms are likely kaput at 93k miles. E36 outer balljoints are notoriously weak, which is probably why they're replaceable separately, unlike their E30 and E46 counterparts. With that in mind, has anybody tried substituting E30 control arms for E36 control arms? My understanding is that they share the same geometry and dimensions so there are no compatibility problems. I do wonder whether there are pluses/minuses to the solidly-mounted balljoint of the E30 arm, and whether they will be any more or less durable than the rubber-encapsulated E36 joint, given that the former was meant for a lighter car. The real conundrum is whether to solely replace the outer balljoints, or replace the whole arm. I've found that most shops (either out of habit, ignorance, or completeness) will automatically replace the control arms on E36s. Some lack the E36 outer balljoint press, and the standard practice for most shops is to remove the control arm, so it makes little sense to waste the labor by reinstalling the old arm, even if the inner joint is OK. I'm debating which route to pursue, but given that my gearbox may be ready to implode (other post, +new brakes +new tires), I'd prefer the cheaper balljoint-only option, rather than the added cost of new arms and bushings. I have considered DIYing the arms myself, but the whole bushing/lollipop/press issue seems like a PITA, especially without a parts runner. And yes, I am a frugal bastard, so M3 arms are not under consideration. Thoughts welcome. TIA Herman PS- thanks to those who offered tire advice; I'm going to opt for the RE750 as soon as Tire Rack gets them back in stock. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:55:14 -0400 From: "Robert G. Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE:[uuc] [E30] Diff cover torque specs According to TIS, diff case cover torque depends on bolt grade: M10 Grade 8.8; torque = 45Nm M10 Grade 10.9; torque = 90 Nm Check bolt head for grade marking. Tighten in star pattern. HTH Bob '99 M3 Coupe '97 M3 Coupe '92 325is '89 325i (Track) '88 325is (Track) '88 325is (R&T) '89 Suburban ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:34:49 -0400 From: "Michael Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Corey said: >>I chalk it up to natural selection. unfortunately Corey it's not the kid owner of the car that died, it was the poor 18 year old stuck in the back seat that died (fried) while the owner jumped out for his own life. Sick and tragic. - -Mike 97 M3 IP #121 - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of C Sattler Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story > It's sad but we > will probably see a lot more stories like the one above if parents keep > buying their kids cars with 300+ hp. I chalk it up to natural selection. If the parents are that stupid, the kids couldn't have had a very deep gene pool to draw from. - -- Corey Sattler 99 AvusBlau 318ti Sport - -=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:26:03 -0700 From: Bora Akyol (BMW) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: SOLD --Re: [uuc] FS: Blaupunkt (old school look) New Orleans CD125 SOLD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:28:26 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story I'm with you. I had a 100hp 72 Toyota celica many moons ago. I came literally 6" from putting that thing in a flooded river when I was 19. Took a tractor to drag me out of the woods. Some how I managed to miss all the trees between the road and the river. When my daughter turns 16 she's getting a 14 year old Chevy Avalanche with 4 plugs pulled and the back seat filled to the roof with cement. ;-) Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Kelly Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:49 AM To: BMW BMW BMW BMW Subject: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Brad wrote: >It's a sad day when something like this happens. >The man who died over the weekend in what officials >said might have been a speed contest on Santiago >Canyon Road was identified Monday as James O. Wimani, >19, of Fountain Valley. >Wimani was a passenger in a 2003 BMW M3 driven by >David Huie, 20, of Huntington Beach A while back a 16 year old High School kid in N. California died in a Corvette Z06 his parents bought him for his birthday. I was out with a bunch of friends after the story was in the news and every guy with us admitted that they probably would not be here today if they had a 400hp car at 16. When I was in High School it was scary when kids were racing cars with about 100 hp (like my 2002 and 914) on mountain roads. It's sad but we will probably see a lot more stories like the one above if parents keep buying their kids cars with 300+ hp. Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:29 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WTB><E36><M50> Known good DME for 1993 325is, plus Dinan Thanks, Brian. I'll check it out when I have a minute. We cleaned up my original DME and it is working for the time being. Still looking for a spare/replacement/etc. Jay ***** > Jay, > > Try http://www.car-part.com > Prices vary widely among different salvage yards. I've seen E36 DME's for as little as $50. It's probably worth your time to make some calls to the yards that don't have prices online. Make 'em an offer... > Many of the ilistings include part numbers. http://www.programainc.com is a good source for which part numbers interchange. > > Brian > '94 325ic > > -----Original Message----- > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Oct 9, 2003 2:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] <WTB><E36><M50> Known good DME for 1993 325is, plus Dinan ID > > Bimmerphiles, > > Help! My DME has been subject to intrusion of moisture and minor > corrosion. Car is acting up... big time. Currently proceeding with > cleaning and re-test of my DME in my car. Want another as back-up, > replacement, and/or for testing. New are (ouch!) pricey. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story It's called a computer controlled governor. Shipping companies use them all the time to limit the car/truck speed/rpm. Jason - --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm with you. I had a 100hp 72 Toyota celica many > moons ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:02:07 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story That sounds like a liability lawsuit waiting to happen. - - Mark On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Jason Daniels wrote: > It's called a computer controlled governor. Shipping > companies use them all the time to limit the car/truck > speed/rpm. > > Jason > > --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm with you. I had a 100hp 72 Toyota celica many >> moons ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:03:58 -0700 From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story At 07:28 AM 10/10/2003 -0700, Marco Romani wrote: > When my daughter turns 16 she's >getting a 14 year old Chevy Avalanche with 4 plugs pulled and the back seat >filled to the roof with cement. ;-) Who needs a back seat when you have the bed of a pickup? :-) Jim Ochi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:18:53 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story That's true. I'm surprised insurance companies aren't requiring them for "young" drivers in exchange for lower rates. Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Daniels Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story It's called a computer controlled governor. Shipping companies use them all the time to limit the car/truck speed/rpm. Jason - --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm with you. I had a 100hp 72 Toyota celica many > moons ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Sad BMW-related Story Mark made a comment about the liability. Good point, but in all the years I was in insurance I never saw an issue come up with them. They are a little more computerized than most would think. Usually allow full power in 1st gear so you can get moving out of the way. Most truck companies use them to lower the red line a few hundred or thousand diesel/gas to make sure they don't loose engines. Also limit the heavy trucks to limit the liability of the driver going 90 and crashing into something. 65 is easier to stop from than 90. Especially in a 60K lb rig. Jason - --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's true. I'm surprised insurance companies > aren't requiring them for > "young" drivers in exchange for lower rates. > > Marco > It's called a computer controlled governor. Shipping > companies use them all the time to limit the > car/truck > speed/rpm. > > Jason ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6805 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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