The BMW UUC Digest 
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  Re: [bmwuucdigest] Daily digest (12 messages)
  shuddering Bimmer with all new front end parts
  Re: shuddering Bimmer with all new front end parts
  Re: shuddering Bimmer with all new front end parts
  17"535i wheels
  Re: 17"535i wheels
  Urban Parking Solutions
  Re: Urban Parking Solutions
  Need help identifying a mysterious office object....
  Re: LSD Bolt Torque - Please Verify
  Re: Instructions: Selecting digest table of contents format

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:37:17 -0500
From: "Bill P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] Daily digest (12 messages)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I am helping my cousin change the brake pads and rotos on his 1999 M3 cabrio
in the next couple of days. Does anyone know what type of "tool or driver"
is required to take off the rotors? Also with the calipers, will it be OK to
use a C-clamp or other to push the piston back without opening the bleed
valves? Will this hurt the master cylender as the preasure pushing back into
it?

Thanks

BP



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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:17 -0500
From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: shuddering Bimmer with all new front end parts
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 09:20 PM 11/13/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Still have a slight shudder under moderate braking...  car has new 
>struts/shocks (Bilsteins), new rotors (front and back), new control arms 
>w/balljoints, x-brace, and has done this through 2 sets of tires and 
>rims...  what else is left to change?


You might try dial indicating the rotors..the mounting surface on the hub 
can gtet a lot of corrosion on it, and though the rotors are straight, and 
the hubs are straight, the tow are not necessarily parallel with each 
other.  I had to dismount a set of rotors after changing them, and use a 
rotary grinder and a wire brush to descale the hub face where the rotor 
sits against it to geet my brakes to dial in.  ?There is a T.I.R (totla 
indicator reading) runout spec in the book for these things.

That said my 7 series sure likes to develop shimmys in the front end...

Dave Leonard



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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:50:51 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shuddering Bimmer with all new front end parts
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> At 09:20 PM 11/13/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Still have a slight shudder under moderate braking...  car has new
> >struts/shocks (Bilsteins), new rotors (front and back), new control arms
> >w/balljoints, x-brace, and has done this through 2 sets of tires and
> >rims...  what else is left to change?

Left to change?  lots.

Inner and outer tie rods
is this an E30/E36?  control arm bushings.
brake pads
E34? - Idler arm & center link

jon @ treehouseracing.com


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:17:37 -0500
From: "Michael Fagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shuddering Bimmer with all new front end parts
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAAFAqAgy8D0+Ecdom/[EMAIL 
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I agree with Jon.  I just went through this with my e30 325ic.  Biggest
improvement was moving to solid offset control arm bushings.  When these
went on I had already installed new control arms, tie rods, shocks and
shock mounts (all less than 5000 km earlier).  Even with the new
components, the complete elimination of all brake shudder combined with
the much tighter feel to the steering made me wonder why I waited this
long to do it.

Cheers,

Michael Fagan
1987 325ic
1990 325ica (both looking pretty ugly with the winter footware and
mudguards on)

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> At 09:20 PM 11/13/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Still have a slight shudder under moderate braking...  car has new 
> >struts/shocks (Bilsteins), new rotors (front and back), new control 
> >arms w/balljoints, x-brace, and has done this through 2 sets of tires

> >and rims...  what else is left to change?

Left to change?  lots.

Inner and outer tie rods
is this an E30/E36?  control arm bushings.
brake pads
E34? - Idler arm & center link

jon @ treehouseracing.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:48:24 -0500
From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 17"535i wheels
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 09:20 PM 11/13/03 -0800, you wrote:
>He was really appreciative.  I gave him the car with the
>14" steel wheels and caps, and kept the 17" wheels and they are now for
>sale.


Hows a guy gonna get laid in college without 17" wheels..and you with a new 
Benz..give the kid the wheels for x-mas for crying out loud!  A cruel joke..

Dave Leonard



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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 17"535i wheels
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Actually, Dave, you can't get laid in college with
anything less than dubs now.  Usually, you have to be
rollin' on twenty-fos.

The 15-inchers on my 528e and the 390mm TRXes on my
535i have proven to be most unfruitful, even though
when you add them together it's more than 30 inches! 
:-)

Brad Couvillon
'87 528e <-- E34 bottlecaps.  YUCK
'85 Euro 535i <-- M-Tech TRXes, soon to go to Style 5s
www.fatdaddybmw.com



--- "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hows a guy gonna get laid in college without 17"
> wheels..and you with a new 
> Benz..give the kid the wheels for x-mas for crying
> out loud!  A cruel joke..
> 
> Dave Leonard

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:56:54 -0800
From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Urban Parking Solutions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I wrote:



> I still use the (1980 Sears floor) jack a few times a year to
> "tow" people that park in front of my garage in San Francisco

> (I jack up the back end with the parking brake and roll them

> out of the way).



Then Brett wrote:

> Please tell me you move them to a 90 degree attitude to the

> curb and leave them that way.



I usually just roll the cars down to the corner so I can get out of my
garage.  I did have a guy catch me moving his car once and he came running
at me like he wanted to kick my ass, but he (wisely) decided that getting in
a fight with someone holding a 4 foot long steel jack handle was a bad idea.
A while back a friend with a Land Rover was not able to get out of his
apartment garage since some idiot parked in front of the entrance (trapping
16 cars).  My friend used his Warn 8274 connected to a telephone pole across
the street with a tree saver and snatch block to drag the guy in to the
middle of the street.



For BMW content it is sad but true that more often than not when I hear a
story about a blocked driveway or someone blocking traffic so they can run
in to buy a latte the car is a BMW (the kids in the lowered Hondas with the
wings and big tail pipes have moved BMW in to second place for idiot driver
stories).



Kevin Kelly

BMW CCA 50039

Who carries a lot of recovery gear in the Range Rover even in the city...




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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:52:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Kevin Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Urban Parking Solutions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--- Kevin Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I usually just roll the cars down to the corner so I
> can get out of my
> garage.  I did have a guy catch me moving his car
> once and he came running
> at me like he wanted to kick my ass, but he (wisely)
> decided that getting in
> a fight with someone holding a 4 foot long steel
> jack handle was a bad idea.

*snippity snip*


<< visions of Kevin swinging a 4-foot-long steel jack
handle around like Keanu Reeves against the hundreds
of Agent Smiths in The Matrix: Reloaded >>



> (the kids in the
> lowered Hondas with the
> wings and big tail pipes have moved BMW in to second
> place for idiot driver
> stories).

What's crazy is that many of those kids are now
growing up and that, combined with the increasing
affordability of E36 M3s and the like, means we'll be
seeing even more Honda kids turn to BMWs as their next
ricing victims.  I predict that in a few years, BMWs
will once again take the crown for idiot driver
stories.  :-)

Brad Couvillon <-- no worthy content tonight
'87 528e <-- not very ricey
'85 Euro 535i <-- smokes most of em out there with
ease
ex-87 528e <-- was faster & cooler than my current
528e
www.fatdaddybmw.com

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:26:05 -0500
From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Jim Conforti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   "Josh McMurray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   "Jason Lile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need help identifying a mysterious office object....
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.koalamotorsport.com/misc/what.htm

Anyone tell me what the hell this item is?

Brett



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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:48:51 -0500
From: "Robert G. Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LSD Bolt Torque - Please Verify
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Scott,

That is the correct conversion, 33Nm = 24.3 ft-lbs.  The bolts in
question are low-profile, allen-head and take a 6mm allen wrench - qty
8.  You will likely need to remove the ring gear/LSD unit to do this.
HTH

Bob Conway
NJBMWCCA
'99 M3 Coupe
'97 M3 Coupe
'92 325is
'89 325i (Track)
'88 325is (Track)
'88 325is (R&T)
'89 Suburban

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The BMW UUC Digest 
Volume 1 : Issue 17 : "text" Format

Messages in this Issue:
  200311/169: Instructions: Selecting digest table of contents format
    UUC Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/170: Looking for a place to store car and tire trailer in south
Florida
    "Vernon L. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/171: E46 Touring Aftermarket Exhaust
    "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/172: Sears Jacks
    "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/173: Re: Sears Jacks
    "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/177: Re: Sears Jacks
    Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/174: Trade on BMW.. Went another route.. 
    "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/175: E46 Winter Tire Suggestions
    "Greg Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/176: Re: Recommendations needed for a jack and jack stands...
    "Lowe, Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/178: A few questions...
    "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/179: M30 cylinder head R and Ramblings
    "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  200311/180: LSD Bolt Torque - Please Verify
    "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:59:33 -0500
From: UUC Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Instructions: Selecting digest table of contents format
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:15:51 -0500
From: "Vernon L. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   "E36M3 List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Looking for a place to store car and tire trailer in south
Florida
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello everyone,

Sorry for the multiple list cross-post.  I'm searching for a place to
store my M3 and tire trailer for the winter in the Fort Lauderdale area.
I'm still technically living in Pittsburgh, but I'll be working in Fort
Lauderdale for the next 6-8 months and I wanted to hit some of the South
Florida tracks during the winter and maybe do a few autocrosses as well.
I've done some casual research on self-storage garages, but I wanted to
see if there were any other options out there.  I have an E36 M3 and a
Trailex Tire Toter (about 6-8 feet long).  If anyone has any ideas of a
place I could rent for a reasonable price, please let me know!

Thanks,

Vern Anderson



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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:34:34 -0800
From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: E46 Touring Aftermarket Exhaust
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi all,

I'm posting this for a friend with a 325iT/5. He wants an aftermarket
exhaust so he can hear his exhaust sounds. He doesn't want it to be too
loud though. I'd appreciate it if anyone experienced in this area could
make some recommendations. I once had an E34 525iTA and bought a B&B
(Triflow) exhaust. I removed it the next day as it was so loud in a
wagon.

Thanks in advance.

John Kjos
'99 540i/6: Dinan S
'01 525iTa: Stock



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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:55:39 -0800
From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sears Jacks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Matthew Yip wrote:

> Hmm - my Sears jack hasn't leaked in 10 years even
> after being left in the rain at countless races and it's been used to 
> raise more weight than my puny E28 so I wouldn't go discounting Sears 
> jacks immediately.

I bought a big heavy Sears floor jack in 1980 and the thing still works
great after probably more abuse than Mathew's jack has ever seen.  I
kept it bolted and locked in the open bed of my Toyota 4x4s for years
and used it many times to jack the vehicle when it was stuck in the
sand, mud and snow (I also had sand ladders bolted in the bed of the
truck).  In addition to regular jacking duty I still use the jack a few
times a year to "tow" people that park in front of my garage in San
Francisco (I jack up the back end with the parking brake and roll them
out of the way).

Kevin Kelly
BMW CCA 50039


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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:05:37 -0500
From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sears Jacks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>In addition to
> regular jacking duty I still use the jack a few times a year to  "tow"

>people  that park in front of my garage in San Francisco (I jack up the

>back end  with the parking brake and roll them out of the way).

Please tell me you move them to a 90 degree attitude to the curb and
leave them that way

;-)

Actually, in SF, I can envisage using a set of those roll around dolleys
and just giving the car a good, down hill, shove........

Brett Anderson
KMS


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:51:02 -1000
From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BMW BMW BMW BMW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sears Jacks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wow...sand ladders...i never knew they made such things...i wish i knew
there were these things back when i used to do "amateur" off roading
with my first jeep back in high school...

for those of you curious, i googled it up...
http://www.britishpacific.com/offroad/sand_ladder.htm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> (I also had sand ladders bolted in the bed of the truck).


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:10:34 -0500
From: "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC-BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trade on BMW.. Went another route.. 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi All,

I got a few responses regarding sh**tty trade value on a 15 year old
car.. (85 535i)

well I decided against the dealer (Mercedes) taking the car.. They
offered me $1000.00 CAD on the car as it sat, that included the wheels
and tires (brand new), which I know I can unload for $1000.00 on thier
own.. So I decided to give the car to my young cousin that needs
transportation to and from University.  He was really appreciative.  I
gave him the car with the 14" steel wheels and caps, and kept the 17"
wheels and they are now for sale.. I could have sold the car on the
market and got more money, but I didnt have room in the garage for the
car, and I live in a downtown city where parking goes at a premium, so
keeping it around would have been a detriment.  It has a happy home and
I can help him work on it.

My new car got delivered last wednesday, and I have had it for a week
now.. I really like it, its quick, comfortable and new..  I bought a
2003 Mercedes C320 Sports Coupe with a 6sp manual transmission in
brilliant silver..  I was going to get the C230 compressor, but the
increase to the 320 engine was had for an extra $20 a month.. So I went
for the extra grunt.. Great torque band and extra horses..

Cheers
Ron Janjua
03 MB C320 Sports Coupe

"To put it in simple terms, politics defines what people want;
government decides what they get.  For democracy to work, government
must respond to politics (Shogan, 1982)


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:51:52 +0000
From: "Greg Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: E46 Winter Tire Suggestions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

With the recent talk of winter tires, I wanted to ask the list their 
recomendations for winter tires on a 2000 328ci.  In my previous BMW I
used 
all season M+S tires all year round.  This year I want to have a
dedicated 
set of tires and wheels for the winter.  I plan on putting the winter
tires 
on a set of Style 44 17x8 7 spoke wheels.  I live in the Philadelphia
area 
where we don't get a lot of snow but we do see our fair share.  So I was

wondering what other people used in winter conditions such as this where

there will be some snow but for the most part you are driving on dry 
pavement.  I know this could be a personal preference question with 
different answers and that is fine as I am I looking for feedback on
which 
tire to use for the conditions I described.  Thanks for your help.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:05:54 -0500
From: "Lowe, Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recommendations needed for a jack and jack stands...
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sears now has a nice looking aluminum jack for $179 now ($169 with
Craftsman Club card).  It's red and has a nice carrying handle at the
handle end (opposite end of the wheels).  I like to carry the jack from
there rather than from the side.

Regards,
Dan 


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:26:44 -0500
From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A few questions...
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



1993 318is related questions...

What's the usual failure mode of the idle stabilizer?  The car stumbles
at idle.  No miss or anything when under load, just stumbles while
idling.  Stabilizer, or vacuum leak?  Is there a way to test the
stabilizer?

I managed to knock out a lens on my glasses, which went down the
defroster vent in the dash...  Any easy way to retrieve this, other than
flipping the car over and shaking it?  :^)

I looked in the archives about mufflers... what's the general concensus
on after market mufflers?  Good/bad, just stick with stock?

Still have a slight shudder under moderate braking...  car has new
struts/shocks (Bilsteins), new rotors (front and back), new control arms
w/balljoints, x-brace, and has done this through 2 sets of tires and
rims...  what else is left to change?


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:47:23 -0500
From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];, [EMAIL PROTECTED];,
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Subject: M30 cylinder head R and Ramblings
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 >>Any
assistance from the group on this head fix welcomed and greatly
appreciated.  >

John, I did my cylinder head at 141,000 miles(cam r and r ), then again 
when I lost the gasket at 225,000 on my 88 735i.

The first time I removed the head with manifolds(major pain unhooking
fuel 
rail and little injector clips/harness), the second time, following the 
advice of the dealer mechanic that I had recently bought a 1/2 hour lap 
dance at the local strip club (best $20.00 I ever spent)  I undid the 
intake manifold from the head, and left it in the car.  This meant that
I 
didn't need to unhook throttle, cruise control, Fuel injectors, and a 
variety of other time consuming items to unhook, break, and re 
install..Much easier.. like 6 hours easier!  The head was a lot lighter 
without the intake on it as well, I was able to install it without using
a 
hoist the second time, solo.

I used stock head gaskets both times, there is a minimum head thickness 
that needs to be observed.. if you don't mill the head much in 
reconditioning, you don't need the thick head gasket.

The first time I did the head and cam, and I took the whole thing to the

local NAPA machine shop, where they did a valve job, and changed and 
reassembled the head for me.  I have personally done a 2002 head cam 
reassembly, and it is a fiddly process trying to hold the valves down
while 
you install the cam..it was a lot easier to give the shop the $300 or so
it 
cost and let them do all the work.

A trick I have heard for installing the cam is to use one of those KD
lever 
valve compressors, and block the valves open with little pieces of wood
to 
hold the rockers up to get the cam in.  The rocker shafts have cutouts
for 
the head bolts, so they need to be properly clocked on reassembly, or
the 
head bolts won't go in.

My dealer buddy told me that he has seen a lot of people bend valves in
a 
head replacement.

Be very careful to have all the pistons at the midpoint of their travel 
when you reinstall the head, then they can't bend the open valves. You
can 
then roll the engine up to #1 and #6   at TDC with the cam at  #1 cyl
both 
valves closed(both cam lobes  pointing directly away from the rockers)
and 
reinstall the cam sprocket and chain, and tensioner.    I'd say it took
me 
about 20 hrs to do the whole job the second time.

I used a wire brush and a grinder to decarbonize the pistons, taped off
the 
other jugs to keep the crud out.
Make up a piece of plywood with 2x4's on it for a skid to hold the open 
valves away from the skid, and securely fasten the head to it for 
transportation so you don't bend the valves in transit.

AT 141k the valves were  ground, and the valve stem seals were new, the 
next time the shop just cleaned and vacuum checked the head, and gave it

back to me stating that all was perfect and it wasn't necessary to do
the 
valves.  The head gasket set that Bavarian auto sells is pretty good 
<www.bavauto.com >, I think Elwing makes it, the same as OEM according
to 
the dealer guy when he looked it over.  I think that was about $160.00

The Bentley manual (I used the 535i manual, same motor) states that the
cam 
sprocket timing mark needs to be at 12:00...well it is straight up
relative 
to the engine, but these are slant six motors, and it is 12:00 relative
to 
engine centerline, but not relative to the installation in the car(more 
like 1:30)..took me a few tries to get that right.

My dealer buddy doesn't use the two stage torquing recommended, he goes
to 
70 ft lbs with pretty good luck.  Dan Patzer says to retorque..and I
agree 
with him.  I found the firewall end two bolts to need a lot more
retorque, 
in fact since that is where the head gasket blew, I would guess that the

design lends itself to moving there more.   By the way, did you have one

steam cleaned spark plug? mine was a very clean #6 plug due to the
coolant 
leak.

Well, off the top of my head, this is about all I can remember, I hope
this 
helps.  Remember to use new copper washers on the cam oil spray bar, and

remember to install it so the holes line up with the cam lobes, and
loctite 
the banjo bolts so they don't back out.

I like to roll the engine over a few times manually with the plugs out
so I 
can make sure the valves and the pistons aren't going to smash into each

other and wreck my day!  better to find out this way than when you turn
it 
over with the starter!  If memory serves(check before you try)  I think
pin 
11 on the diagnostic plug is the one which will allow you to use a
remote 
starter switch to turn the starter without ignition..very useful when 
setting up the valve train.  I use a paper clip in the plug pin hole,
and 
get 12v from the remote battery lug under the hood.

Hope this helps

Dave Leonard
88 735i w 252k miles, and a new British Racing Green paint job(DIY! in
the 
garage) It still runs as strong as the day I bought it, and the tranny
had 
no gunk in it when I just changed the filter!
91 325ic (about to journey to the airplane hangar for hibernation)


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:10 -0800
From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LSD Bolt Torque - Please Verify
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have it on good authority (Brett Anderson, Bob Conway) that I should
check the bolts holding the LSD unit in the medium case M3 4.10:1 diff I
bought before installing it in my car.  OK, the cover is off, I found
the bolts, and the spec is 33 NM.  A handy dandy web site tells me the
conversion is 1 NM = 0.738 ft lbs, so this is 24 ft lbs.

Is that all?  Well, that and the Loctite, but that seems kinda wimpy.
Can anyone confirm that I've done the conversion correctly?  My 3/8 inch
drive torque wrench (recently calibrated at the Bay Area Bimmerheads
Torque Wrench Testing Party held at my house, of all places) does not
have a Newton-Meter scale.

I don't have a real good way to test the torque short of putting a
wrench on the bolts and seeing what happens.  They don't *look* loose.

Thanks,

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
1990 325i  waiting for diff swap
1991 325i  providing back-up transport in case I get the '90 apart and
need parts or something




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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:01:44 -0500
From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Instructions: Selecting digest table of contents format
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Okay, I give up.

I attempted to change my table of contents format, but just got error
messages from Majordomo.  I tried wading through lots of h*lp commands,
but Majordomo apparently just doesn't want to spell things out in plain
(or even slightly techie) English.

It looks like I need a password to change my digest settings.  Any clue
on how to get one (I tried the 'newpassword' command to no avail)?

TIA,

  KC Boyce
  '97 M3/4
  E30 Eta Page: http://www.e30eta.com


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