:-) What is the precise issue you have with the proposed amended language, Tom? Please be specific so we aren't just appealing to the gallery here. I assert that the language I am proposing is a minor change that has the same effect as the earlier text but ensures we do not leave hostages to fortune.
Are there any others sharing Tom's concern please? S. /:-) On 8 Aug 2011, at 23:59, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > There were a reasonable amount of "+1"s to the first draft produced by > Florian > and no-one voted against it then or after the meeting. We had just heard the > advice of a couple of legal people one of whom specialises in this type of > area. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Norbert Thiebaud <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 8 August, 2011 18:41:05 > Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi :) >> I think that unnecessarily exposing TDF (or people doing work for it) to a > risk >> in a way that could NOT be fix easily & quickly would be really dumb. It is > an >> easily avoidable risk. > > I think it is unnecessary to worry about fabricated convoluted legal > scenario without precedent. > >> >> >> The fact that one person is ignorant of the risk (or chooses to ignore it) > does >> not mean the rest of the Steering Committee are. > > Did you pool the steering committee member individually ? what basis > do you have to claim that just _one person_ think that this legal > angle to force a POV is a strawman ? > >> Indeed, there was a meeting >> that came up with the rough draft of the 2 paragraphs prepared by Florian. >> There is still no mention of where the responsibility would lay if the >> perceived >> risk did happen but as the meeting wrote it, the potential threat should be >> avoided by using Gnu&Linux if easily possible. > > using Linux and/or Gnu does not avoid the alleged risk. Neither own > the copyright on icons that would be displayed in a screen-shoot. > >> >> >> With Gnu&Linux screen-shots there is NO risk. It also means the >> Documentation >> Team can keep doing what they are already doing = aiming towards > professionally >> consistent documentation. > Yes the 'consistent' argument is indeed valid... but the so-called > legal risk is a straw man > >> The licensing of Gnu&Linux tends to be copy-left >> allowing people to copy and adapt anything they like. By contrast the >> Windows >> Eula is very restrictive > > The Eula could demand that you give away your first born child, that > would still not make that the Law. > actually the French version of the EULA for Windows 7 Basic, Section > 27, spell out clearly that Eula does not trump the Law of the Land. > >> and people in the discussion even highlighted >> paragraphs that showed that any editing of screen-shots in a way that would >> make >> them useful for documentation would be a violation. >> >> There was a suggestion earlier in the discussion that if TDF did get >> clobbered >> by MS for using screen-shots on their OSes then it could >> 1. Let MS target individuals that produced the screen-shots or >> 2. TDF could counter-sue the individuals themselves > > Apparently we don't even need Microsoft to conduct FUD campaign, we do > just fine on our own :-( > >> The post also suggested that TDF should reject any documentation that was >> produced using non-Windows screen-shots. >> >> >> >> In the MS vs TomTom case. TomTom were forced to pay substantial damages to MS >> for saving data. > > What patent do screen-shoots infringe ? > And how did you get access to confidential settlement terms ? > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10206988-56.html : > "Specific financial terms were not disclosed. " > > [snip irrelevant US-patent non-sens ] > >> >> Yes, everyone is exposed to a large number of unknown risks of a variety of >> types but this is a known risk that is easy to avoid. Why ask people to beat >> their head against a wall when they could just walk around the corner? > > Or just easily not enocurage those that manufacture brick wall in their path. > > > > Norbert > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
