Hi Paolo, all,

Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/02/2022 17:01:

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You can find the draft which starts outlining various concepts and lists some of the issues we have to address here:

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/fM8pCesPnF2JjN4

Thanks for sharing that!

From the various quotes/texts under ‘Rationale’, there are some that I consider real arguments to consider hiring developers and others expressing random support, but no arguments. To me, most pressing is improving the work in areas that are badly covered now, so bugs, accessibility issues and maybe some features. Another option, though it is to be seen of that can be realistically combined with the first, is areas like mentoring and new contributors support. Various things I read are a sort of: we need in house developers because we need them. It’s an argument too, but not the type I’m looking for.

Then taking – as example – this one: “This drop in contributions, taking the Commercial group back to the 2018 levels, clearly indicates that we need to work to foster new contributors with the help of new in-house developers and mentors.” On what grounds is the statement that this ‘clearly indicates that..’ made? Of course, it could be a possible way to achieve that goal, yes, could be. A goal that “internal developers which will both increase the speed of development and will help with the on-boarding of new external commercial, corporate and volunteer contributors” also will come with some requirements and/or circumstances to make that work, I guess. And also that hiring by TDF is (likely to be) a very/the most effective way to achieve those. I struggle to understand “The additional positive side of creating a team of in-house developers is that TDF will be able to accumulate and share knowledge and become the neutral forum where all contributors can exchange information and learn how to contribute better and more to LibreOffice.” I think this is not meant to say that the current LibreOffice development/team is not providing that?

Among the various concerns that have been shared, and not only by commercial contributors.., for me the most problematic are having a good and realistic process to steer the work, and without possibly introducing in-house fighting left and right, as well as effectiveness of the spending, knowing the challenges for larger/complex code work.

As expressed before, I’m willing to support a clearly defined trial since I consider that a good way to learn what is realistic and what is just wishful thinking.

Cheers,
Cor

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