To be clear, I'm very comfortable adding new corporate members. I voted with the consensus on that one.
-DeWitt On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand the logic of not self-selecting community board seats -- and > saying we are going to have an election in a few weeks likely will drive > membership given the recent OpenID awareness. > I don't understand why you are uncomfortable adding new corporate board > members. Would you elaborate? > > -- Dick > > On 4-Nov-08, at 12:21 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: > > I remain uncomfortable adding any new board members, corporate or > otherwise, until we hold the election. > > Admittedly, back around Feb/March this year I was vocal about wanting us to > have a larger membership base before holding elections. A membership drive > was one way to do that. Another was my suggestion to drop membership fees. > > But now I'm reversing my earlier position. (Had I known the election would > be pushed all the way into 2009 waiting for a membership drive, then I > wouldn't have taken that position to begin with.) > > So I recommend we just go ahead and hold the election now. Worst case, we > have a board that represents a smaller membership than we'd like. I'd still > prefer that over self-selecting new community board members. > > -DeWitt > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It will be a while before we can have a real election. >> We agreed we would finish our messaging so that we could then market to >> the membership so that it is clear the value of membership. Then we can have >> nominations, then we can vote. >> >> We are still a little ways from having the messaging done. A marketing >> drive and nomination process likely will take a couple weeks each at least. >> We are minimum a couple months from having an election unfortunately. >> >> -- Dick >> >> On 4-Nov-08, at 11:09 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: >> >> Rather than do it this way, why don't we simply start an open nomination >> process (i.e., not nominations made by the board) and schedule a real >> community election, as voted in by the members? >> >> -DeWitt >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Drummond Reed < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> +1 to Snorri's nomination – his work speaks for itself. >>> >>> >>> =Drummond >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >>> Behalf Of *David Recordon >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:42 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion >>> >>> >>> If we're in nomination mode, then I'd also like to nominate Snorri to >>> join as a community board member (if he is willing to accept that >>> nomination). Snorri has done amazing community work internationally which >>> should be directly supported by the Foundation. >>> >>> >>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Drummond Reed wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 to all Brian's points here. I want to clarify again that my >>> objection last week was not to moving forward on this – I am very supportive >>> of adding additional corporate board members immediately -- it was only to >>> the difficulty of closing what turned out to be a contentious issue via an >>> email vote. >>> >>> >>> I am all for holding a vote this week if we want to call a meeting. Worst >>> case we could hold the vote at the BOD meeting next Monday afternoon at IIW. >>> (Have we set an exact time/location for that meeting? Will there be dial-in >>> so all board members can participate if they are not at IIW in person?) >>> >>> >>> Also, in terms of community board members, I would like to nominate Brian >>> Kissel to join as a community board member (if he is willing to accept that >>> nomination). I'd move for that vote to be held at the same time so he could >>> join the board at the same time as the new corporate board members. >>> >>> >>> =Drummond >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> ] *On Behalf Of *Brian Kissel >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2008 4:47 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion >>> >>> >>> +1 with Dick on additional corporate members. I've had conversations >>> with BBC (Zac Bjelogrlic, Dirk-willem Van.gulik ) and PayPal (Andrew Nash) >>> and know that both organizations would both like to join. I don't know who >>> else in on the list of possible new members, but if we have up to 5 >>> corporate spots to fill and these two firms are willing to make a commitment >>> of time and dollars, I think we should not delay. >>> >>> >>> BBC has already shown their leadership by hosting the Content Provider >>> Advisory Committee meeting in NYC several weeks ago. They've also OpenID >>> enabled RadioPop and are looking at additional properties to roll out. >>> They've offered to work with NPR (who was also at the NYC session) to see if >>> we can get BBC, NPR, PBS, and CBC to collaborate on OpenID enablement >>> initiatives. And in any case, we need some large representative RPs on the >>> BOD. As I've said before, I think media companies are a next logical >>> adopter of OpenID, so would welcome BBC's membership. >>> >>> >>> PayPal would also be great because they have a lot of experience in >>> managing phishing and general security infrastructure and represent the >>> perspective of merchants and payment infrastructure providers, which we need >>> represented on the BOD if we want to continue to expand the applicability >>> and value of OpenID beyond user generated content access. >>> >>> >>> I don't know if these are the companies we're thinking about voting on >>> near term, but if so, I would strongly endorse their membership. I also >>> agree with Dick that getting the funding commitment from these two companies >>> in uncertain financial times is critical and will actually help with hiring >>> the new ED and coming up with a reasonable budget for the various >>> initiatives we'll want to undertake in 2009. For those that didn't see Nat >>> Sakimura's announcement about OpenID >>> Japan<http://openid.net/2008/11/03/openid-japan-launches-with-32-member-companies/>, >>> they are making great progress and we need to have equally compelling >>> aspirations. >>> >>> >>> With respect to community membership, JanRain would certainly welcome the >>> opportunity to contribute as a BOD member, but we'll continue to participate >>> via my membership on the Marketing and Customer Research Committee >>> regardless. >>> >>> >>> We are working with Research Media to get the OpenID membership polling >>> solution working this week and the BOD election system working next week. >>> Regardless of that, I don't think we should wait on the BOD vote the two >>> additional corporate members. >>> >>> >>> There is a lot of good buzz going on right now with the Microsoft and >>> Google announcements. If we could also announce these two new corporate BOD >>> members at IIW, that we can continue to build on that momentum. >>> >>> >>> So, IMHO, we should do the vote on the 2 additional corporate sponsors >>> right now (assuming they are still willing) and finalize them this week. If >>> we want to wait on community members, that's fine with me. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> *==============* >>> >>> *Brian Kissel* >>> >>> *Cell: 503.866.4424* >>> >>> *Fax: 503.296.5502* >>> >>> >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> ] *On Behalf Of *Dick Hardt >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2008 3:54 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion >>> >>> >>> I don't see any advantage to the coupling of hiring an ED and bringing on >>> new board members. Any ED is going to look at the risk of getting paid. >>> Bringing in money before hand is a good sign. In the current economic >>> climate, making a donation to a Foundation is going to come under increased >>> scrutiny. >>> >>> >>> The bylaws allow the board to appoint temporary community board members >>> as need be -- something we would want to do in case someone needs to resign >>> for some reason. >>> >>> >>> Only bringing on corporate members one at elections does not serve us >>> well. We have a product, which is membership, and we should remove barriers >>> to selling it rather then raising it -- and requiring the timing to coincide >>> with an election does not serve anyone well -- except those that want to >>> make board membership exclusive. >>> >>> >>> We have been working on having elections since last March. >>> >>> >>> As noted in my financial report, not bringing these corporate members on >>> board was a bad financial decision. >>> >>> >>> -- Dick >>> >>> >>> On 24-Oct-08, at 6:49 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sort of. I think we should have finished the discussion about how to >>> proceed with a full five new corporate board members, timed that around the >>> hiring of the new ED, and ideally scheduled all of it around the election of >>> new community members. With those three pieces in place we then could make >>> a coordinated engagement on all three. Four pieces, in fact, as we can >>> count the CRC in there as well. >>> >>> I share your frustration, Dick, and I agree that sometimes a vote makes a >>> good forcing function. It's taken far too long to get where we are, and I >>> happen to concur that those were fine nominees. And I especially welcome >>> Brian's continued leadership in any case. >>> >>> Hopefully this is the kick in the pants we need to close in expediently >>> on the missing pieces. And then I'd welcome seeing this come up for a vote >>> again in the near future. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> -DeWitt >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how this should have been done differently by >>> me? >>> >>> >>> I made the motion on the board call and agreed to withdraw it until after >>> the membership committee report was published, and then we could do the vote >>> over email. Agreed that the vote should have been started on the public list >>> -- but we are here now. >>> >>> >>> Do you have a new motion to bring the nominees on the board that you >>> would support that we could act upon? >>> >>> >>> -- Dick >>> >>> >>> >>> On 24-Oct-08, at 5:17 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: >>> >>> >>> This is not a vote against any of the nominees, but procedurally and >>> organizationally we can do better than this. Hence to the motion as it >>> stands at this time: >>> >>> -1 >>> >>> -DeWitt >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Raj Mata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> -1. >>> >>> Agree with Gary. >>> >>> Raj >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> >>> Behalf Of Krall, Gary >>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:42 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion >>> >>> -1. >>> >>> As we are actively in the process of recruiting for a Executive Director >>> which my understanding is should complete shortly coupled; with the >>> manner in which this vote has been requested/handled is a clear >>> indication to me that adding any additional members at this time would >>> not be prudent. >>> >>> Gary. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Behalf Of Dick Hardt >>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:48 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion >>> Importance: High >>> >>> >>> (this motion was originally posted on the board-private list to >>> protect the confidentiality of the potential corporate board members >>> -- reposting to public list to provide transparency to community) >>> >>> Background: >>> >>> There are two corporations that have expressed interest in joining the >>> OpenID Foundation for the last six months. The board approved adding 5 >>> new corporate board seats, to be balanced with community seats so that >>> the community seats have a majority. >>> Brian Kissel has been active on the marketing committee and the >>> customer research committee. He organized a gathering of content >>> providers in NY that led to the OpoenID UX summit last Monday. >>> The primary source of funding for the Foundation is corporate board >>> seats. In order to fund a new Executive Director and OpenID adoption >>> initiatives, we need more funding. The patience of the two >>> corporations is running thin as they have been waiting for far to long >>> for a decision from the board. >>> >>> The motion: Add the two corporate board seats and add Brian Kissel as >>> the community seat. Brian's seat (like all other community board >>> seats) would be up for re-election when we hold an election. >>> >>> All board members need to vote or abstain for the motion to be >>> considered. >>> >>> Votes to date: >>> >>> +1 Dick Hardt (made motion) >>> +1 Martin Atkins (seconded motion) >>> -1 David Recordon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 3580 (20081103) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > [email protected] > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > [email protected] > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > >
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