Thank you David.

Is there somewhere online I could/should go to read about process so I don't have to raise questions like this in the future?


Brett McDowell | +1.413.652.1248 | http://info.brettmcdowell.com

On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:05 PM, David Recordon wrote:

Hey Brett,
There is a 14-day discussion period once the Specs Council has approved the WG which occurs on the [email protected] mailing list. There was also a discussion on the same list leading up to the Specs Council vote on the proposal.

I think everyone agrees that there are other user interface improvements to be made, though pop-ups are a good starting point. I think we should address this once the working group is created and see if there is consensus there to rename the specification being produced.

Thanks,
--David

On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:

I'm not sure if the process regarding ballots includes "discussion" during the period the ballot is open, but I will assume it does and bring my discussion topic to the General list.

This proposal is specifically scoped to a pop-up window paradigm. Therefore it concerns me that the specification is going to be branded "OpenID User Interface Extension 1.0" and the Working Group will be branded *the* "OpenID User Interface Working Group". Certainly there must be other approaches to improving OpenID UI. Hasn't the eCommerce industry been teaching users to never put their credentials into a pop-up window for fear of phishing?

I would like to vote in favor of this Working Group but I cannot support it as written. I humbly suggest the following changes:

Name to: "OpenID Pop-Up User Interface Working Group"
Specification to: "OpenID Pop-Up User Interface Extension 1.0"

Those two minor changes would signify an awareness that there may be other approaches to improving the OpenID UI, and it might even encourage some alternative proposals to come forward which will only strengthen OpenID UI down-the-road.

P.S.
If I'm out-of-compliance with OIDF process please let me know and point me to the process document I should reference in the future.

Thank you,

Brett McDowell | +1.413.652.1248 | http://info.brettmcdowell.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: [email protected]
Date: March 19, 2009 9:40:23 AM EDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: [OpenID Foundation] New Poll Opened

Hello Brett McDowell,

Voting has opened on the following poll -- please register your vote before 2009-03-26.

Link: https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/15

Title: Approve the Creation of the OpenID User Interface Working Group

Description: The Specifications Council recommends that the Foundation members approve the creation of the OpenID User Interface Working Group, as proposed below.

    Name

OpenID User Interface Working Group


    Background Information

OpenID traditionally requires the Relying Party to redirect the entire
browser window to the OpenID Provider for the user to authenticate
before redirecting the browser back to the Relying Party. It is believed
that the User Experience (UX) could be significantly improved if the
authentication flow occurred within a smaller popup window, making the
experience less disruptive to the user.

Although it is possible for Relying Parties to open a popup window for
the user to authenticate at the OpenID Provider using the Provider's
default user interface, the overall user experience can be optimized if the OP was aware that its UI was running within a popup. For instance, an OP may want to resize the popup browser window when using the popup interface, but would probably not want to resize the full browser window when using the default redirect interface. Another optimization is that the OP can close the popup, rather than return a negative assertion if
the user chooses to cancel the authentication request.

Users who begin the OpenID sign in process on a Relying Party in one
language and then transition to their OpenID Provider's site in a
different language may find the overall experience to be very
disruptive. In many cases, the Relying Party may want to pass a language hint to the OpenID Provider to use to display the User Interface to the
user, especially if the user is not already authenticated at the OP.




    Statement of Purpose

This workgroup intends to produce a very brief OpenID extension to
enable the OpenID Authentication User Interface to be invoked in a
standalone popup window, and to allow the Relying Party to request that
the user interface be displayed in a particular language.




    Scope

Produce an extension that allows an OpenID Provider to indicate its
support of a popup friendly user interface, as opposed to the default user interface optimized for a full browser window. The popup must be in
an independent browser window, and must not be framed by the RP.



The extension will also define a mechanim for RPs to pass a language
hint to the OP to help determine the langange used to display the OpenID
Authentication user interface.


    Out of Scope

The content of the user interface other than the language that the
interface is displayed in is out of scope.




    Specifications

OpenID User Interface Extension 1.0


    Anticipated audience

All those interested in improving OpenID Usability.


    Language of business

English.


    Method of work

Mailing list discussion. Posting of intermediate drafts in the OpenID
Wiki. Virtual conferencing on an ad-hoc basis.


    Basis for completion of the activity

The OpenID User Interface Extension 1.0 final draft is completed.


    Proposers

  * Allen Tom, atom at yahoo-inc.com, Yahoo!
  * Brian Ellin, brian at janrain.com, Janrain
  * David Recordon, david at sixapart.com, Six Apart
  * Chris Messina, chris at citizenagency.com, Vidoop/DiSo Project
  * Breno de Medeiros, breno at google.com, Google
  * Luke Shepard, lshepard at facebook.com, Facebook


    Initial Editors

  * Allen Tom, atom at yahoo-inc.com, Yahoo!
  * Breno de Medeiros, breno at google.com, Google

Available Choices:

* Approve New Working Group
* Reject New Working Group
* Abstain

Thank you for your participation!

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The OpenID Foundation
http://openid.net/foundation/

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