Thanks for chiming in Jonathan! It's great to have you share your
experiences directly here versus my only being able to share stories
like your own I've been hearing the past six months.
Thanks,
--David
On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Jonathan Coffman wrote:
I’ll chime in as a business owner who is fluent in some of the
technical issues around OpenID and I’ll say that in our experience,
finding the various libraries has been more laborious than we had
anticipated.
Ie — it took a lot of time for my developers to track down what the
‘most recently updated’ library for given technologies were and
having information like that presented in a uniform or centralized
manner would be wonderful.
-Jonathan
On 6/1/09 3:00 PM, "David Recordon" <[email protected]> wrote:
So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it.
Given that no other board members have participated in the
discussion, I'm guessing that most board memebers don't have strong
opinions on the matter. We could either:
1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and
the community
2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an
electronic vote
3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make
a decision there
Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward?
Thanks,
--David
On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the
openid.googlecode.com <http://openid.googlecode.com> project up
to Chris and others representing the OIDF?
-DeWitt
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon
<[email protected]> wrote:
No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the
majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to
work within the ASF's process. This is one of the reasons why
community based open source development is important beyond just
corporate backed development.
I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various
library contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart
continue developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete
alternative proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it
happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move
forward?
If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first
make http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with
him that an OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of
forward momentum. The wider developer community has expressed
many times over that OpenID's libraries are not of the quality
that they need to be and it is the Foundation's job to help fix
that.
--David
On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <[email protected]
> wrote:
We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache
incubator named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I
don't think it was because of the name ;-)
If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've
heard of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or
fate.
The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation
an open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality.
Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider
was donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of
the OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF
would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too.
The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did
anything" in terms of writing code.
I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go
about creating or facilitating the creation of the
circumstances that would lead to world-class open source OpenID
libraries being developed.
I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some
negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries
are still not writing themselves.
Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some
traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has
been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings.
It's a small community but it is active and has been for a
while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one could
attempt to broaden that project beyond Java?
I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/
proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those
either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason.
Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But
that wasn't your question.
Cheers,
Johannes.
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