>
>Dari: Chris Messina <[email protected]>
>Kepada: [email protected]
>Terkirim: Kamis, 30 Juli, 2009 10:13:18
>Judul: Re: [OpenID board] Perception of the Foundation (Was: Fwd: [OpenID]
>Google's proprietary discovery extension?)
>
>Santosh, I'm not sure what you're proposing.
>
>
>If there is a leadership vacuum in the community, complaining about it doesn't
>seem like an effective way to address it.
>
>
>>That said, I certainly think that the Foundation via the board has not been
>>terribly effective in its communications and outreach since the elections.
>>That said, much has been happening, albeit in many different places so
>>keeping track of everything is very challenging — even for those directly
>>working on these things.
>
>
>A couple weeks back I sent Don a list of interview-style questions that I had
>hoped would have made it to the blog by now, but alas I've not heard back from
>him yet. Don has pointed out that he is more of an infrastructure kind of guy
>— who likes to operate behind the scenes, and so combining that style of
>leadership with an otherwise quiet board can of course lead to questions of
>progress.
>
>
>I also noticed that the board's meeting minutes have not been published to the
>wiki recently, so I'll go an make sure that they are copied from this list to
>the wiki, so at least you can trace the conversations that have gone on over
>the last several months.
>
>
>I would be interested in hearing solid proposals for rallying the community —
>and coordinating efforts if the board is unable or unavailable to do so. I
>have ideas myself, but not the time or ability to implement them at the moment.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Santosh Rajan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Allen I think you missed a major point here.
>>>>It is nice to know about Yahoo's work. Other coorporates have also done a
>>>>lot of work, like Google, Facebook etc.
>>
>>>>But what about the independent community members? Nothing!! Or atleast I
>>>>haven't seen any work coming from then.
>>
>>>>I think in Open Communities the most important contributions must come from
>>>>the independant members and not the coorporate members. Independent members
>>>>are not "boxed in" by coorporate objectives.
>>
>>>>Corporate members are focussed by their companies. Independent individuals
>>>>need community leadership, otherwise they will end up running around like
>>>>headless chicken. Which is more or less what is happenning now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Allen Tom-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo is very heavily invested in OpenID and we have a bunch of
>>>>> engineers and designers currently working on enhancements to our OpenID
>>>>> service. Earlier this year, we worked with the community to write the
>>>>> OpenID UI and OAuth/Hybrid Extensions, and the Yahoo OP will be
>>>>> implementing both of these extensions in the very near future.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition to protocol enhancements, we have a crack team of UI/Product
>>>>> designers and researchers who are actively experimenting with ways to
>>>>> improve the overall usability of our OpenID service. We'll be deploying
>>>>> many significant upgrades to the Yahoo OpenID Provider's user interface
>>>>> later this year. The new OpenID UI, along with support for the UI and
>>>>> Hybrid Extensions, and our soon to be released support for Open Social's
>>>>> REST based APIs (including Portable Contacts) will be a huge upgrade to
>>>>> our existing Open Stack offering.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've also been working behind the scenes to line up several new and
>>>>> exciting Relying Parties to accept OpenID. Every potential Relying Party
>>>>> that I've been working with wants to accept not just Yahoo OpenID, but
>>>>> also OpenIDs from other Providers, which is making a really strong case
>>>>> for interoperability and open standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo along with other OPs and Relying Parties are committing plenty of
>>>>> resources for OpenID and are actively working towards the goal of
>>>>> having OpenID reach widespread usage and adoption. Many of these
>>>>> efforts are behind the scenes, and aren't really visible on the public
>>>>> mailing lists, so perhaps the OpenID Foundation can take the lead in
>>>>> publicizing the activities that its membership is actively working on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Allen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nat wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inline below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =...@tokyo via iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2009/07/30, at 2:22, David Recordon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forwarding these three posts from the General list. Not because I
>>>>>>> agree with all of the sentiments expressed, but because it shows how
>>>>>>> we as a board and organization are clearly not being transparent
>>>>>>> enough in the activities that are actually being taken on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two ideas I think that we should seriously consider are:
>>>>>>> 1) making use of a project management tool like Basecamp
>>>>>>> (http://www.basecamphq.com/) so that at least the entire board and
>>>>>>> Don know the status of each project that is underway
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I strongly agree to this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) having Don write a monthly blog post about OpenID's achievements
>>>>>>> the past month and what the Foundation has accomplished
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Santosh Rajan <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: July 28, 2009 11:11:03 PM PDT
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Google's proprietary discovery extension?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hehe! Shade for once I am going to agree with you.
>>>>>>>> Why do we have a chairman? Isnt he supposed to be leading the flock and
>>>>>>>> showing the way?
>>>>>>>> And what about the rest of the board. This is the "coldest" board I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> ever seen.
>>>>>>>> I think Eran Hammer should have been the chairman of the board! I
>>>>>>>> wonder why
>>>>>>>> he disappeared from here 2 yrs back. (I have seen some posts from
>>>>>>>> him from
>>>>>>>> 2007).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SitG Admin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no sign of the "STD mechanism" coming soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps it will arrive after Chris Messina's "Policy Expression
>>>>>>>>> Extension" passes ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apathy on the part of the OpenID Foundation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Inaction, or so it may appear; timely, though?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Half the Identity folk have moved on to Kantara Initiative.
>>>>>>>>>> The Other half to the Open Web foundation.
>>>>>>>>>> XRI TC has tied itself in knots.
>>>>>>>>>> And the hilarious part is that there are folk involved in all
>>>>>>>>>> these three
>>>>>>>>>> foundations!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like good separation of duties to me. If the rest of us can
>>>>>>>>> still interop (and work is still being done that *needs* to be done
>>>>>>>>> before we can move forward), it doesn't really matter where most of
>>>>>>>>> the various communities is doing that work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No idea were the rest of us should bail out to!?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the development of OpenID were to halt now, I think it would be
>>>>>>>>> Federated implementations that found themselves hardest hit; small,
>>>>>>>>> independent operators such as myself (working with libraries already
>>>>>>>>> distributed "in the wild") might not even notice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Shade
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> general mailing list
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/general
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Santosh Rajan
>>>>>>>> http://santrajan.blogspot.com http://santrajan.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Google%27s-proprietary-discovery-extension--tp24414092p24713025.html
>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>-----
>>
>>>>Santosh Rajan
>>http://santrajan.blogspot.com http://santrajan.blogspot.com
>>>>--
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>>http://www.nabble.com/Perception-of-the-Foundation-%28Was%3A-Fwd%3A--OpenID--Google%27s-proprietary-discovery-extension-%29-tp24724040p24730408.html
>>>>
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