I have to agree with Santosh here.
The really scary part is that the "serious leadership vacuum" seems to
have migrated from the old board and old ED to the new board and new ED.
I'm really perplexed how that might even be possible given how many
people (including myself) were exchanged in the process.
On Jul 29, 2009, at 20:44, Santosh Rajan wrote:
First of all I am not proposing anything, nor am i complaining about
anything. I am just bringing to your notice what I think is a very
serious
problem with the OpenID board.
And yes let us face it. There definitely is a serious leadership
vacuum
here. I am sure every one is aware of it but nobody speaks about it.
As you said Don is an infrastructure guy, but why bring Don into
this at
all. I dont think he was hired for a leadership role at all. The
leader has
to be the chairman of the board. The chairman must be a technical
wiz plus
someone who can lead from the front, and should be rallying the
community.
I cant see someone who is good at both here, technology and rallying
the
flock.
Actually I dont mind one of the corporate members being chairman of
the
board provided he has a written mandate from his company to work as he
wishes independently on a board like this. Something like the
mandate given
to Eran from Yahoo.
Chris Messina wrote:
Santosh, I'm not sure what you're proposing.
If there is a leadership vacuum in the community, complaining about
it
doesn't seem like an effective way to address it.
That said, I certainly think that the Foundation via the board has
not
been
terribly effective in its communications and outreach since the
elections.
That said, much has been happening, albeit in many different places
so
keeping track of everything is very challenging — even for those
directly
working on these things.
A couple weeks back I sent Don a list of interview-style questions
that I
had hoped would have made it to the blog by now, but alas I've not
heard
back from him yet. Don has pointed out that he is more of an
infrastructure
kind of guy — who likes to operate behind the scenes, and so
combining
that
style of leadership with an otherwise quiet board can of course
lead to
questions of progress.
I also noticed that the board's meeting minutes have not been
published to
the wiki recently, so I'll go an make sure that they are copied
from this
list to the wiki, so at least you can trace the conversations that
have
gone
on over the last several months.
I would be interested in hearing solid proposals for rallying the
community
— and coordinating efforts if the board is unable or unavailable to
do so.
I
have ideas myself, but not the time or ability to implement them at
the
moment.
Chris
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Santosh Rajan <[email protected]>
wrote:
Allen I think you missed a major point here.
It is nice to know about Yahoo's work. Other coorporates have also
done a
lot of work, like Google, Facebook etc.
But what about the independent community members? Nothing!! Or
atleast I
haven't seen any work coming from then.
I think in Open Communities the most important contributions must
come
from
the independant members and not the coorporate members. Independent
members
are not "boxed in" by coorporate objectives.
Corporate members are focussed by their companies. Independent
individuals
need community leadership, otherwise they will end up running
around like
headless chicken. Which is more or less what is happenning now.
Allen Tom-2 wrote:
Hi all,
Yahoo is very heavily invested in OpenID and we have a bunch of
engineers and designers currently working on enhancements to our
OpenID
service. Earlier this year, we worked with the community to
write the
OpenID UI and OAuth/Hybrid Extensions, and the Yahoo OP will be
implementing both of these extensions in the very near future.
In addition to protocol enhancements, we have a crack team of
UI/Product
designers and researchers who are actively experimenting with
ways to
improve the overall usability of our OpenID service. We'll be
deploying
many significant upgrades to the Yahoo OpenID Provider's user
interface
later this year. The new OpenID UI, along with support for the UI
and
Hybrid Extensions, and our soon to be released support for Open
Social's
REST based APIs (including Portable Contacts) will be a huge
upgrade to
our existing Open Stack offering.
We've also been working behind the scenes to line up several new
and
exciting Relying Parties to accept OpenID. Every potential Relying
Party
that I've been working with wants to accept not just Yahoo
OpenID, but
also OpenIDs from other Providers, which is making a really
strong case
for interoperability and open standards.
Yahoo along with other OPs and Relying Parties are committing
plenty of
resources for OpenID and are actively working towards the goal of
having OpenID reach widespread usage and adoption. Many of these
efforts are behind the scenes, and aren't really visible on the
public
mailing lists, so perhaps the OpenID Foundation can take the lead
in
publicizing the activities that its membership is actively
working on.
Allen
Nat wrote:
Hi
Inline below:
=...@tokyo via iPhone
On 2009/07/30, at 2:22, David Recordon <[email protected]> wrote:
Forwarding these three posts from the General list. Not
because I
agree with all of the sentiments expressed, but because it
shows how
we as a board and organization are clearly not being transparent
enough in the activities that are actually being taken on.
Two ideas I think that we should seriously consider are:
1) making use of a project management tool like Basecamp
(http://www.basecamphq.com/) so that at least the entire board
and
Don know the status of each project that is underway
I strongly agree to this.
2) having Don write a monthly blog post about OpenID's
achievements
the past month and what the Foundation has accomplished
+1
Thoughts?
--David
Begin forwarded message:
From: Santosh Rajan <[email protected]>
Date: July 28, 2009 11:11:03 PM PDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Google's proprietary discovery extension?
Hehe! Shade for once I am going to agree with you.
Why do we have a chairman? Isnt he supposed to be leading the
flock
and
showing the way?
And what about the rest of the board. This is the "coldest"
board I
have
ever seen.
I think Eran Hammer should have been the chairman of the
board! I
wonder why
he disappeared from here 2 yrs back. (I have seen some posts
from
him from
2007).
SitG Admin wrote:
There is no sign of the "STD mechanism" coming soon.
Perhaps it will arrive after Chris Messina's "Policy Expression
Extension" passes ;)
Apathy on the part of the OpenID Foundation.
Inaction, or so it may appear; timely, though?
Half the Identity folk have moved on to Kantara Initiative.
The Other half to the Open Web foundation.
XRI TC has tied itself in knots.
And the hilarious part is that there are folk involved in all
these three
foundations!
Sounds like good separation of duties to me. If the rest of
us can
still interop (and work is still being done that *needs* to
be done
before we can move forward), it doesn't really matter where
most of
the various communities is doing that work.
No idea were the rest of us should bail out to!?
If the development of OpenID were to halt now, I think it
would be
Federated implementations that found themselves hardest hit;
small,
independent operators such as myself (working with libraries
already
distributed "in the wild") might not even notice.
-Shade
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