> To me this is a bad idea, from a usability point of view. I strongly
> object against making this change. The argument ordering is perfectly
> obvious in is_base_and_derived, there is no such hint in is_base.

Personally I agree, I will bring this up again with the LWG folks,

John Maddock
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/john_maddock/index.htm

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