I have exactly the same symptoms as Philipp Hanes
(needing to open two layers before reaching the actual mail from Sean
Quinlan)

I too am running Outlook.
I did not choose it, my employer did.  
I have no ability or interest in getting at the Exchange servers
directly.

I think if I forward these message to my home account I
may not do any better -- won't the damage have been done already?
Or is the problem in the Outlook client but not the Exchange Server?

But forwarding mail home does not help, as I mostly read it at work.


And the PGP signature does not help much, because
I do not have an easy way to validate that this is good.

The best part about seeing them is that I am yet heard
of a virus that puts a dummy PGP block into the email --
but it would be easy enough to do.

Is there an automated way to use this block to check all email
before opening it?  Using Outlook client would be best
but I would like to learn more about
the benefits of using another client if it is easy and provides
more security.


Hopefully helpfully yours,
Steve
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Quinlan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:46 PM
> To: Philipp Hanes
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Boston.pm] list viruses
> 
> 
> I've heard of this before. It's something odd about the way the MS
> Outlook handles digitally signed emails. I'm afraid I 
> couldn't begin to
> suggest how to have it handle them differently. :(
> 
> On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 11:46, Philipp Hanes wrote:
> > I'd like to offer an example of the somewhat perturbing 
> situations that seem
> > to come up.
> > I use MS Outlook 2000 (not much choice at the office).
> > 
> > Here's how Outlook saw this message from Sean Quinlan:
> > It's a message that has as its body just what you see below 
> (the Boston.pm
> > mailing list footer) and an untitled email message as an attachment.
> > Opening up that untitled email attachment gives me an email 
> with *no*
> > content at all, and a text file attachment (called in this case
> > "ATT494796.txt", which may be a feature of Outlook, I don't know).
> > Opening *that* attachment finally gets me to the actual 
> text of Sean's
> > message.
> > I have no idea what it would look like if there were a code 
> snippet attached
> > to it.
> > 
> > Clearly this is a very different experience from 
> up-arrowing through my
> > messages and reading them in the "preview pane".
> > 
> > I know this is really a thread about viruses, but as many 
> others probably
> > feel much as I do that attachments in general are suspect 
> unless I know
> > exactly what they're for, I'd like to dissuade use of them 
> for anything that
> > could be presented just in the plain text of an email message.
> > Long code examples are completely reasonable to have as 
> attachments, to me.
> > 
> > Of course, if someone can help me tweak Outlook to make these nested
> > messages less of a pain to read, I'd be quite grateful too :-)
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sean Quinlan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:14 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [Boston.pm] list viruses
> > > 
> > > 
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