And you just finally chime in today!?! :P Thanks, I'll check it out.
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 08:48 -0500, Dan Collis Puro wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 22:59 -0600, Andres Monroy-Hernandez wrote: > > Stephen, > > > > In my opinion, one of the best CMS written Perl is WebGUI: > > http://www.plainblack.com/webgui. But I am not sure if you must have > > root and shell access to install it. > > > > By the way, Oddmuse looks pretty cool. I'll give it a try. > > > > -Andres > > > > I'm one of the core WebGUI developers. I haven't been doing much with it > recently because we're going through some massive API changes in > preparation of upcoming stable branch (you know the drill- "it's ready > when it's ready") and I've been incredibly busy with other stuff. . . > Anyway: progress is being made rapidly, though, and I feel confident > we'll be stable soon. > > WebGUI, in terms of high-level tools for managing websites, sits a level > above Plone/Zope and a few levels above other toolkits like Axkit, > HTML::Mason, and OpenACS. (Mason is very cool, I'm just picking it up > after years coding CGI::Application/HTML::Template apps, writing my > first HTML::Mason/Alzabo e-commerce system.) > > The neatest thing about WebGUI is that it conceives of websites the way > a lot of people do- to WebGUI, a site is just a bunch of pages with > "things" on them. Those things can be articles, discussion forums, > blogs, image galleries, Syndicated RSS content, FAQ lists, etc. You can > copy an already created object and paste it elsewhere on the site, > create "shortcuts" to objects, and in the new branch drag-and-drop > content around the page to re-arrange it. > > With WebGUI I can create feature-rich user-managed sites very quickly, > and non-technical folks can manage them. One exampe: update a blog, a > user just needs to sign in, move to the page, hit "new posting", type, > and hit "save". More advanced folks can do a lot more, obviously. > > WebGUI is pretty easily extended (once you learn the API) and doesn't > reinvent the wheel every chance they get- we use a plethora of modules- > HTML::Template, CGI.pm, HTML::TagFilter, HTML::Highlight, etc. There is > a bit of a 'maverick' feel to some of the development (I'd love to see > stuff generalized a bit more so that it can be released to CPAN) but > overall there is a very competent developer community. > > WebGUI dictates very little about how a site should look- you aren't > trapped into the three-column "boxes on the left, boxes on the right, > content in the middle" paradigm at all, you can drop stuff anywhere and > arrange your auto-updating navigation stuff in a bunch of different > ways. Nearly everything is templatted in HTML::Template, and you can > edit the templates right in your browser. > > Unlike some of the pukey PHP systems out there, you don't have to edit a > mixture of code and presentation or deal with this false templatting of > "skins" where can only change very specific bits related to > presentation. You can make it look *however* you want, without a lot of > non-obvious boundaries. > > The entire management interface is translated into some ungodly amount > of languages, it's got a user/group based permission system and a MUCH > improved internal search engine in the new branch. > > To run WebGUI with acceptable performance it needs to run under > mod_perl. For some hosts that may mean you can run it without root > access, and I suppose you could install without shell access, too. But > that would suck. > > If you're familiar with perl and *nix, you probably wouldn't have a lot > of trouble setting it up. > > I host a bunch of WebGUI instances for clients, it's pretty stable and > can handle a lot of traffic- I had one client that got hammered > (including two slashdottings) around the election and WebGUI (and some > custom mod_perl handlers) took it easily. > > Of all the CMSs I've evaluated, WebGUI offers the best chance that > non-technical users will actually be able to use it quickly without a > lot of custom development and huge amounts of training on your part. > I've got a bunch of clients that barely understand how anything works > about the web that can still keep stuff up to date. > > Stuff I want to see get better is a meta-data system that allows for > faceted classification and more complete XML/RSS creation from > "wobjects." > > I really dig it, the demo ( http://demo.plainblack.com ) really *does > not* do it justice, even though it's still pretty neat. Keep in mind the > demo is running the beta, so there will be some stuff that's broken. > > -DJCP > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen A. Jarjoura > > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al. > > > > > > > > The prospect of wading through tons of OO PHP code in order to customize > > a CMS is disheartening. Having to learn Python just to use some of the > > great Python based CMS's is even more depressing. I just wanted an easy > > to use, easy to set-up and install, easy to theme, Perl based CMS. > > Further, (believe it or not) I don't have shell or root access to the > > hosting web server. 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