Sarai, what do you mean exactly that the BN's upgrades are free? If you went 
from 5.0 to 5.1, yes, or 6.1 to 6.11, yes.  Other than that, they're not free.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sarai D.  Bucciarelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
>Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:09:34 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] MP3 books

>The BN's upgrades are free, the BN doesn't crash all of the time nor loose
>data, the Spanish software is 10 times better on the BN than the PM.  The BN
>isn't made of cheap materials like the PM.  The PM can use pocket windows
>software such as pocket Word, it can play Audible books, the GPS is cheaper,
>I'm not sure if it can get viruses, You can download different software
>programs, etc.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Isaac Obie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
>Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] MP3 books


>Well, I've heard this same tale from other customers about Humanware.  So
>this doesn't say a thing.  It's just one opinion versus another.  I hear
>that Humanware gouges you on prices.  their Brailliant displays are more
>expensive than other vendors products.  that's just an example.  their
>resusal to send me a braille manual via free matter for the blind is
>another example.  so you see, this line of discussion goes nowhere.  It
>proves nothing.  If you don't like a product, I wish you would give more
>concrete ideas so others can learn something.  I see advantages in both
>units and that's a good thing I think.
>I traded my last Pac Mate because I saw something I wanted more.  I am
>happy with that trade.
>the Pac Mate has instant messenger now.  It can be used with a tty for the
>deaf-blind.  the gps for the Pac Mate is a heck of a lot cheaper than for
>the Braillenote.
>the upgrades for the Pac mate are free!!!!!!!
>they're not cumulative either!!!!!!!!
>I think you get the point.  Show merits for a product.  As I said, I see
>good points in both products.
>Isaac

>On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Kathy Williams wrote:

>> Yes, there were some interesting things about the pakmate.However, their
>> salesman at the convention wher I saw it was so flip and illinformed that
>> I was unable to learn just what they were and weren't.  For instance I
>> couldn't get a straight answer from him about whether all was lost when
>> power was lost or how much had to be restored, something that   was talked
>> about much and seemed to be far better with the braillevoicenote.  I also
>> couldn't get a straight answer from him as to the cost of a model without
>> braille because I was supposed to want braille more than life itself.I'm
>> afraid the salesman is reflected in the view of the product, and Humanware
>> has a much better image as far as I was concerned.  Given that the Creative
>> Labs MuVo plays books just fine, having them play on the voicemante would
>> just be a plus, not a necesity for me.  And certainly not reason to by a
>> product that was so offputting from the start.

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