Its not until sunday but thanks. I'm going to have a brownie pie on my
birthday.
Mary Ellen Earls
Remember! Today is the Tomorrow you thought about yesterday.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brenda Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
I agree with you. Oh, by the way, Happy Birthday. I always preferred pie
on my birthday. Never told Mom, though. She tried her best.
Brenda Mueller
----- Original Message -----
From: "meearls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:42:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
I don't have to tell anyone on this list my feelings about the file
manager.
I have, over the last year, albeit extremely gruggingly learned to get my
way around it without dropping down in a stroke and I do find with the
Brailler Style keyboard that for some reason it is much easier to use.
But I would like to see the following improvements to the file manager.
1. either use file manager or folder manager not both and eliminate the
dirrectory system or change the wording altogether.
2. Allow people to open files they have selected from the file manager.
3. If the folder manager is retained, make a setting in which entire
folders
can be moved.
That is all I have asked but just simplify it a bit and you would have an
amazing product.
Ok let me borrow whomever's rock and crawl under it and eat birthday cake.
Mary Ellen Earls
Remember! Today is the Tomorrow you thought about yesterday.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Henrichsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
Richard. I hardly think you are in the minority for wanting a better
file
manager<grin>. I remember complaining early on a year and a half ago
that
there was no move folder function in the bn. Only PDI knows why they are
so slow at implementing new features for the bn. I gues those 50
developers they have now have been developing the pk and then the
MPower<grin>. Maybe now, we will see faster keysoft upgrades now that
the
hardware has been brought up to speed.
I hope so.
At 7/13/2005, you wrote:
What you have is a suite of programs that you can use.
It would be like having a PC that only ran Microsoft Office.
That's what you have.
And currently, that is what you get.
I am not justifying it, I am merely pointing out that this is what
Humanware wants to sell.
Perhaps
There should be other options, but whatever improvements are made, they
will most likely reflect the needs and requests of the majority.
I have always wanted a better file manager, but I am in the minority,
and it isn't going to happen.
Frankly, the majority of Braillenote users don't even know what telnet
is.
If you doubt this, stay on the list long enough and see what kinds of
questions are asked over and over and over again.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:21 AM
To: 'Braillenote List'
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
But there is no reason to say, due to the processor we have and the
memory
we have to say that we can't have something, everything that we are
asking
for is possible technically. Hell, even my old 33mhz notetaker had a
modem
with a email program. So come on, even with the power of windows ce to
back
up our requests, there is no reason why if the company wanted to devote
resources to it we could get a terminal app so we may log into an ssh
session or telnet or what ever.
And my question was never answered, why do we only have access to ping,
but
netstat is in the windows directory also but we can't use it?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard
Ring
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Braillenote List
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
Ok.
First of all, as I stated earlier, Humanware wants to keep the product
as
far from the GUI as possible.
I think there is room for improvement, however, I think that some of us
expect functionality and robustness that simply isn't there.
I don't know any sighted people who download 500 emails on their Ipaqs,
and
yet, people on this list do it on their Braillenotes all the time.
However, it seems to me that in order to handle that kind of traffic,
one
must perform a good deal of maintenance, and frankly, I'd much rather
use a
PC where all I have to do is download and read the mail, I don't have to
free database space, I don't get error messages such as "the operation
completed successfully" (which means almost the exact
opposite of what it says)
I simply am not willing to work that hard to simply read email. I do
feel
that cutting and pasting between applications in the ordinary way should
be
supported, all I was trying to say is that is you feel that because you
paid
a huge sum of money for your Braillenote that it should have all of the
functionality of a laptop, then you were highly misinformed and you
would
have been better served by purchasing a small light weight laptop. When
I
say you here, I mean anyone.
Remember when our notetakers were notetakers? They served their
function
quite well. Now, our PDAs are expected to perform many new duties, and
frankly, they do many things quite well.
Many individuals like the Braillenote family of products because they
are
menu driven but they don't present a Windows interface.
Many prefer that interface over a PC. Well, fine. Obviously, this is
one
of the biggest selling points for Humanware.
But, Humanware never told anyone that having a Braillenote was the same
as
having a laptop.
It isn't.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
Henrichsen
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:52 PM
To: Braillenote List
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
I guess the obvious question is why will it never happen? There is no
reason
why the programmers could not make the pk act as if it were a little
computer. Just because people classify the bn as a PDA doesn't mean it
has
to be limited by necessity. PDA's, themselves, do things differently
depending on the price you pay for the unit.
But again, why will it never happen that the bn cannot act more like a
pc?
What aare your reasons for making such a statement?
What the bn does or doesn't do depends on what PDI decides is important
to
implement.
If older braille units had a way to dial numbers, why doesn't the bn
have
this feature? Easy. PDI decided it wasn't important or a feature that
many
folks would use.
Why can't we click on a url within email or copy an address from an
email
easier? Who knows. But there is no reason other than memory limitations
that
these features and many others could not be implemented if PDI thought
they
were necessary.
Why not?
?
At 7/12/2005, you wrote:
This isn't a regular computer!
It is a PDA, and all PDA's suffer from limitations that do not show up
in a PC.
Sure, the product should be improved, all products should. However, if
you expect the Braillenote or any other PDA to behave precisely like a
PC, it will never happen.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:14 AM
To: 'Braillenote List'
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
And I agree with you and I feel the same. But instead of improving the
products they got, they make a new one and rave about it being the best
thing since slaced bread and leave us pk users in the dust.
Sounds like a company we all know and love -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole
Torcolini
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:09 AM
To: Braillenote List
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
I have also noticed in general, not only in email, the block
commands menu does not work in places that a regular computer would
allow you to paste things. Two examples are the find and replace and
creating files and folders. I know there are more, but I can't think
of them at this moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:27 AM
Subject: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
There are some truly annoying features and lack there of with the
Keysoft email software. The awkward way one must handle adding an
address to the address book is prehistoric.It is probably the number
one reason I won't be using my new toy for Email as soon as I get my
laptop back. While it's fun and fast, it's a pain in the neck to
have
to cut and paste from one operation to another just to get the
address
out
of a message.
The next most bothersome problem is not being able to click on an
URL
within an email message. This is truly annoying because while I was
able to use edit commands to hear I was cutting the url, when I got
to
the internet area to enter it for my url selection, it had
disappeared
from the clipboard. Makes it a pretty expensive toy when you can't
use
it for the obvious.
As someone else mentioned, the lack of phone dialing is surprising
since it was a standard feature on both the Braillemate and
Transtype
for over a dozen years already. Where was Humanware when that
standard
was being developed I don't imagine anyone specificly asked them for
a
keyboard either, but they figured out it was expected.
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