So are you saying that we should wait to order m-powers because one
of the usb ports may not work right?
Josh
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Stanley Littrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Braillenote List <[email protected]
>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:02:20 -0700
>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
>While I truly understand the need for the braille note to have
>increased functionality, it is important to take note of the fact
>that Humanware is the result of the joining of PulseData and
>Visuaid. If you follow business field in any way shape or form, it
>doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that when companies join
>forces there are growing pains. In other words, people have to learn
>how to play well with others on the playground. We tend to want
>everything now.For example, there was a clammer on this list for
>keysoft6.1 to be released, when it was, people were complaining about
>the bugs. I suspect that when the mpower is released for
>transplanting purposes, there will be people that will complain about
>the way things have been implemented. If the only information was
>based on what I read on this list, I would have twice about buying a
>braille note. Even if I was a new customer, based on many of the
>threds I see on this list, I would think twice. I like my Braille
>Note. Remember, there is a price for being an early adapter.
>Regards, StanAt 02:50 PM 7/13/2005, you wrote:
>>You state that the bn isn't the same as a laptop. Right now, I agree
>>with you. But again, why not? My wife has an ipak and doesn't even
>>browse the web with it much less download email. But is it capable
>>of downloading over 500 email as we must often do on the bn? I don't
>>know. I bought my bn because of the braille display. If I had not
>>been interested in a braille display, I most certainly would have
>>bought a laptop. I suppose I could have bought a laptop and velcroed
>>a brailliant to the front of it, but the brailliant wasn't out at
>>the time. I suppose now-a-days, that would be a good alternative for
>>those wanting refreshable braille as I did.
>>Interestingly, the new MPower seems to be able to download any
>>number of email messages according to beta testers on this list; so
>>I wonder if this is processor related? I would think that if the
>>email program were rewritten not using the database method it
>>currently uses that one could probably download unlimited amounts of email.
>>The problem could be a database or perhaps a memory issue. I don't know.
>>Can the braille sense or the packmate download unlimited email
>>messages? I don't know as I don't have either of these devices.
>>But I believe that the bn does have the capability of performing
>>like a laptop even with the proprietary interface that PDI has
>>chosen to use. We will probably see more and more functionality if
>>and whenever the SDK comes out.
>>I think that this will be partly due to the faster processor and
>>greater memory available in the MPower.
>>Jonathan promises some interesting features coming just because of
>>the faster processor, and I suspect, because of the greater amount
>>of system memory as well.
>>When I bought my bn a year and a half ago, I didn't think it would
>>perform like a laptop, but suspected that over time, it might come close.
>>Last week, I was at the ACB convention. I had no other way to get my
>>email but through the bn no matter how many messages there were on a
>>daily basis. Sure. I would have rather been sitting at my pc
>>downloading 500 email without a problem, but I didn't have that luxury..
>>What the bn can and can't do depends on the hardware and the
>>capability of the PDI programmers. I believe that the new MPower
>>will probably make it possible for the bn to come closer to
>>performing like a laptop in many ways.
>>I believe that if the current email program were rewritten that we
>>would probably see a better program with regard to downloading and
>>manipulating email.
>>At 7/13/2005, you wrote:
>>>Ok.
>>>First of all, as I stated earlier, Humanware wants to keep the product
>>>as far from the GUI as possible.
>>>I think there is room for improvement, however, I think that some of us
>>>expect functionality and robustness that simply isn't there.
>>>I don't know any sighted people who download 500 emails on their Ipaqs,
>>>and yet, people on this list do it on their Braillenotes all the time.
>>>However, it seems to me that in order to handle that kind of traffic,
>>>one must perform a good deal of maintenance, and frankly, I'd much
>>>rather use a PC where all I have to do is download and read the mail, I
>>>don't have to free database space, I don't get error messages such as
>>>"the operation completed successfully" (which means almost the exact
>>>opposite of what it says)
>>>I simply am not willing to work that hard to simply read email. I do
>>>feel that cutting and pasting between applications in the ordinary way
>>>should be supported, all I was trying to say is that is you feel that
>>>because you paid a huge sum of money for your Braillenote that it should
>>>have all of the functionality of a laptop, then you were highly
>>>misinformed and you would have been better served by purchasing a small
>>>light weight laptop. When I say you here, I mean anyone.
>>>Remember when our notetakers were notetakers? They served their
>>>function quite well. Now, our PDAs are expected to perform many new
>>>duties, and frankly, they do many things quite well.
>>>Many individuals like the Braillenote family of products because they
>>>are menu driven but they don't present a Windows interface.
>>>Many prefer that interface over a PC. Well, fine. Obviously, this is
>>>one of the biggest selling points for Humanware.
>>>But, Humanware never told anyone that having a Braillenote was the same
>>>as having a laptop.
>>>It isn't.
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
>>>Henrichsen
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:52 PM
>>>To: Braillenote List
>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
>>>I guess the obvious question is why will it never happen? There is no
>>>reason why the programmers could not make the pk act as if it were a
>>>little
>>>computer. Just because people classify the bn as a PDA doesn't mean it
>>>has
>>>to be limited by necessity. PDA's, themselves, do things differently
>>>depending on the price you pay for the unit.
>>>But again, why will it never happen that the bn cannot act more like a
>>>pc?
>>>What aare your reasons for making such a statement?
>>>What the bn does or doesn't do depends on what PDI decides is important
>>>to
>>>implement.
>>>If older braille units had a way to dial numbers, why doesn't the bn
>>>have
>>>this feature? Easy. PDI decided it wasn't important or a feature that
>>>many
>>>folks would use.
>>>Why can't we click on a url within email or copy an address from an
>>>email
>>>easier? Who knows. But there is no reason other than memory limitations
>>>that these features and many others could not be implemented if PDI
>>>thought
>>>they were necessary.
>>>Why not?
>>>?
>>>At 7/12/2005, you wrote:
>>>>This isn't a regular computer!
>>>>It is a PDA, and all PDA's suffer from limitations that do not show up
>>>>in a PC.
>>>>Sure, the product should be improved, all products should. However, if
>>>>you expect the Braillenote or any other PDA to behave precisely like a
>>>>PC, it will never happen.
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:14 AM
>>>>To: 'Braillenote List'
>>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
>>>>And I agree with you and I feel the same. But instead of improving the
>>>>products they got, they make a new one and rave about it being the best
>>>>thing since slaced bread and leave us pk users in the dust.
>>>>Sounds like a company we all know and love
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole
>>>>Torcolini
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:09 AM
>>>>To: Braillenote List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
>>>> I have also noticed in general, not only in email, the block
>>>>commands
>>>>menu does not work in places that a regular computer would allow you to
>>>>paste things. Two examples are the find and replace and creating files
>>>>and
>>>>folders. I know there are more, but I can't think of them at this
>>>>moment.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Kathy Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:27 AM
>>>>Subject: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
>>>>> There are some truly annoying features and lack there of with the
>>>>> Keysoft email software. The awkward way one must handle adding an
>>>>> address to the address book is prehistoric.It is probably the number
>>>>> one reason I won't be using my new toy for Email as soon as I get my
>>>>> laptop back. While it's fun and fast, it's a pain in the neck to
>>>have
>>>>> to cut and paste from one operation to another just to get the
>>>address
>>>>out
>>>>of a message.
>>>>> The next most bothersome problem is not being able to click on an
>>>URL
>>>>> within an email message. This is truly annoying because while I was
>>>>> able to use edit commands to hear I was cutting the url, when I got
>>>to
>>>>> the internet area to enter it for my url selection, it had
>>>disappeared
>>>>> from the clipboard. Makes it a pretty expensive toy when you can't
>>>use
>>>>> it for the obvious.
>>>>> As someone else mentioned, the lack of phone dialing is surprising
>>>>> since it was a standard feature on both the Braillemate and
>>>Transtype
>>>>> for over a dozen years already. Where was Humanware when that
>>>standard
>>>>> was being developed I don't imagine anyone specificly asked them for
>>>a
>>>>> keyboard either, but they figured out it was expected.
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