Isaac, That makes two of us! LOL! I hope Snicket stops being quite so lemony.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Isaac Obie Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:39 AM To: Braillenote List Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation Well, I hope you don't have as much trouble with it as you did with the braillenote. Good luck! isaac On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Sarah Cranston wrote: > Yes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Isaac Obie > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:24 PM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation > > > Sarah, > You getting the Mpower? > Isaac > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Sarah Cranston wrote: > > > The really cool thing about the BN, mPower included, is that the QWERTY > > model is exactly the same size as the BT model. It's one of the main > > reasons I chose that one in the first place. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol > > Pearson > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:35 PM > > To: 'Braillenote List' > > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > Rhonda, > > > > Just to push you in a little deeper . . .. You have a valid point but, > > for those of us who spell well most of the time, it's great to use our > > Grade 2 Braille and rattle along as fast as we possibly can. (Those who > > know me know that I go at quite a pace too!) > > > > Seriously, I do know what you mean about a QWERTY but don't think really > > that it would be quite so portable for me. I'll stick with what Mike > > thinks he's got! <GRINS> > > > > > > -- > > Carol > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rhonda > > Clark > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:15 PM > > To: Braillenote List > > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > I know this comment will put me in deep waters that my headache should > > fear me to tread today. I know better, but here goes. One of the > > thoughts I have had many times is that everyone should own a Qwerty > > Keyboard. I can feel you flinching. I see some terrible spellings and > > key combinations come up in many e-mail. It's because of the great > > Translation--grin! I've even thought about the possibility of changing > > my perkin style keyboard to a QT. The cost is what stops me. It seems > > as though people forget how to spell when they write in grade two. I've > > already commented too much, so I'm going to behave, because I could get > > us off-topic, and I don't feel like getting in trouble today. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:05:29 -0500 > > >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation > > > > >Terri is so absolutely correct here. > > >Frankly, if you want to use the Braillenote to prepare documents that > > >are intended to be read by print readers, you are headed for these > > >kinds of problems. Proofreading the final product would be essential. > > >Certainly teachers who have no knowledge of Braille will not know the > > >rules for Braille, heck more than half of the teachers of the "visually > > >impaired" don't know them. > > >I would go so far as to say that, unless you are willing to put the > > time > > >and effort into seriously proofreading a braille-to-text translation, > > >you should either create your document on a Personal Computer, or > > create > > >on the Braillenote using computer Braille. > > >If you choose to do the latter, you will not have to worry about letter > > >signs being misinterpreted and the like. > > >It is not an easy thing to do, but it can be done. > > >Duxbury simply cannot anticipate everything that might happen when > > >Braille is translated back to text. > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri > > >Pannett > > >Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:08 PM > > >To: Braillenote List > > >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >That's up to the braillist to fix. You should read your documents > > >before you submit them to a teacher. You just can't expect a program > > >to do everything for you. > > > > >Terri Pannett, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign > > >AAT9PX, California > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:49 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >> I undersand that it is part of the rules, but shouldn't it be > > >fixed? > > >> Someone might not know about this problem and translate and print > > >without > > >> reviewing. Not all teachers know, much less understand, about > > >> Braille > > > > >> errors, and ar going to wonder when your papers come out reading but. > > >can. > > >> do. every. instead of b. c. d. e. If you were to do this on a > > >> test, > > >you > > >> could get the entire test wrong because of it. > > > > >> Nicole > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:26 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >>> That is according to the rules for the braille code. Letters in > > >>> parenthesis don't need letter signs and letters followed by periods > > >don't > > >>> need letter signs. If you want to translate the braille document > > >into > > >>> text, you will have to add the letter signs before you translate it. > > > > >>> Don't blame the BrailleNote or its translation program. Duxbury's > > >>> primary design is to translate text into braille and it goes by the > > >rules > > >>> for the braille code of the U.S. or U.K. The original purpose of > > >>> the > > > > >>> program was to allow sighted people to translate print documents > > >>> into > > > > >>> braille. > > > > >>> But translating from braille into text can be done with Duxbury, but > > >you > > >>> must edit the braille document yourself if you want letters to be > > >>> translated as initials and not contractions. This is because > > >>> braille > > > > >>> symbols have more than one meaning and the software program has to > > >decide > > >>> which meaning you want. But software cannot replace the human > > >>> brain. > > > > >>> Terri Pannett, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign > > >>> AAT9PX, California > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:55 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >>>> If a letter is followed by a period or a parenthesis, the > > >BrailleNote > > >>>> leaves out the letter sign. Then, when you translate it back to > > >text, > > >>>> it translates that letter as a word, such as c. as can. If the > > >letter > > >>>> is capitalized, then it translates it correctly as the letter, but > > >>>> letters aren't always capitalized. > > > > >>>> Nicole > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:03 AM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >>>>> The BrailleNote uses Duxbury Braille translation software to > > >translate > > >>>>> from text to Braille and vice versa. Duxbury always translates > > >>>>> according to the BANA rules or the BAUK rules. If the rules don't > > > > >>>>> require a letter sign, then Duxbury won't put one in. Generally, > > >>>>> translating from text to Braille has less errors than translating > > >from > > >>>>> Braille to text. > > > > >>>>> Duxbury does so well translating from text to Braille I'm > > >>>>> surprised > > >you > > >>>>> would believe some letter signs are missing. What example can you > > >give > > >>>>> to illustrate that Duxbury leaves out letter signs when > > >>>>> translating > > > > >>>>> from text to Braille? > > > > >>>>> Terri Pannett, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign > > > > >>>>> AAT9PX, California > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:39 PM > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >>>>>> It is interesting because you can't even open a text document, > > >ask > > >>>>>> to review the options and tell it to translate it, edit in grade > > >2, > > >>>>>> and then tell it to not translate it when it saves. It's as > > >though > > >>>>>> the BrailleNote doesn't recognize it's own language. If it > > >requires a > > >>>>>> letter sign to make it a letter, shouldn't the BrailleNote put > > >that > > >>>>>> letter sign when it translates? > > >>>>>> Also, does anyone remember the Braille Translation Table from > > >an > > >>>>>> earlier version of keysoft? I think, if it still existed, that > > >might > > >>>>>> have been a way to fix the problem. > > > > >>>>>> Nicole > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>> From: "Rhonda Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:02 PM > > >>>>>> Subject: re: [Braillenote] translation > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi, Nicole: > > >>>>>>> One of the best ways I've found, especially if you are > > >>>>>>> converting > > > > >>>>>>> Braille to Text, especially when writing a letter is to put the > > >>>>>>> letter sign, then a capital, and the letter. You shouldn't have > > >any > > >>>>>>> mistranslation issues that way. The text to Braille translation > > >can > > >>>>>>> be tricky, because a B can equal but, if it's not written > > >correctly. > > >>>>>>> In a text, I make sure my letter is capitalized, followed by a > > >>>>>>> period. It is really interesting. > > > > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>>>>From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > > >>>>>>>>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:18 -0800 > > >>>>>>>>Subject: [Braillenote] translation > > > > >>>>>>>> I have noticed that when the BrailleNote translates from > > >>>>>>>> text > > >to > > >>>>>>>> grade 2, > > >>>>>>>>it leaves certain things, such as letter signs, out in certain. > > >>>>>>>>Then, when you go to translate it back into text, it doesn't > > >>>>>>>>come out right. > > > > >>>>>>>>Some > > >>>>>>>>examples are: > > >>>>>>>>Leaving the letter sign out causes a letter to become a word. > > >>>>>>>>The BrailleNote thinks a minus is com. The BrailleNote > > >>>>>>>>interprets letter sign s as ness. > > > > >>>>>>>>Nicole > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>___ > > >>>>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >>>>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > >>>>>>> ___ > > >>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ___ > > >>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > >>>>>> __________ NOD32 1.1183 (20050729) Information __________ > > > > >>>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >>>>>> http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ___ > > >>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ___ > > >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > >>>> __________ NOD32 1.1185 (20050801) Information __________ > > > > >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >>>> http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > >>> ___ > > >>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ___ > > >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > >> __________ NOD32 1.1186 (20050804) Information __________ > > > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > >___ > > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > >___ > > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
