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-----Original Message----- From: Jean Menzies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:28 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower Yes, it works. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: FW: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower > > Hi Jean; > If you read Jonathon's note addressed to me, about reading pages, it > looks > like we do not need line when just going to a spacific page. I will > have to > try it out. See it works on your machine and let me know. The book I > have > right now is kind of goofey. > Bye for now. > Terry Powers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:17 PM > To: 'Braillenote List' > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower > > > Thanks Jean, saves me from having to read all over again. In example > they > had it capitalized, that is why I wanted the right way. > Terry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Menzies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:57 PM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower > > > Hi Terry > > Press space with dots 1-2-6 for the go-to command. At the prompt press > P number sign 35 comma space l 1 enter. > > If you had wanted a different line use a different number other than > 1. > But that takes you to the first line on page 35. > > Jean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:28 PM > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower > > >> Jean; >> Say I want page 35, how would you put it in on the BT? >> Terry >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jean Menzies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:09 PM >> To: Braillenote List >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >> >> >> Hi Terry >> >> One more thing. Once you enter the go-to command with space plus >> dots >> 1-2-6, you can use space with dot 4 to go ahead exactly one page from >> where you are, or space with dot 1 to go back a page. That's also a >> very cool thing as you can jump quickly ahead even if you don't know >> exactly where you are in terms of page orientation. Of course, you >> could get that info with space plus dots 1-5-6, but you don't need >> that >> if you just want to quickly jump ahead or back a page at a time. >> >> Jean >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:58 PM >> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >> >> >>> Hi Jean; >>> >>> You just did wonders. I read chapter 4 on book reader and it sent >>> me >>> to >>> chapter 3 about page, line, column command. It does not say you >>> have >>> to put >>> page and line together. >>> They gave letter sign dot 6 p space number sign number >>> they did the same with l and c for line and column. >>> How would anyone know you needed page and line together. This is >>> not >>> graphics! >>> show me the write way to key it in, on a BT. >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jean Menzies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:38 PM >>> To: Braillenote List >>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >>> >>> >>> Hi Terry >>> >>> You have to understand the layout of the book you have. You can't >>> search for what isn't there. If the book didn't have the word >>> chapter, >>> then of course it won't find chapter. It's not like a go-to command >>> as >>> in go to where chapter one starts. Your search on the number 1 >>> would >>> take you to the first occurrence of that character. If the book >>> first >>> started with a table of contents, you would of course land on any >>> page >>> number reference with a number one in it. To go to the next find >>> result, in other words the next location of the digit one, press >>> space >>> with n on the BT keyboard for next occurrence. Sorry, I have no >>> idea >>> what the qwerty keyboard equivalent is for that. >>> >>> To use the go to page, line or column command, use space with dots >>> 1-2-6. From here you can press space with h for help, or type in the >>> location you want. For example, p3, l1. That would go to page 3, >>> line >>> 1. You must enter a line number as well as a page number. Just >>> entering >>> a page number is invalid. Remember to separate the fields with a >>> comma >>> and a space. >>> >>> So, if you have read a bit at the top and learn that chapter 1 >>> starts >>> on >>> page 7 for example, you could use the go-to command of space with >>> dots >>> 1-2-6, then type p7, l1 and press enter. You'll be at the top of >>> page >>> 7. >>> >>> Hope that helps a bit. If you're not using a BT keyboard, then >>> someone >>> else will have to give you the specific commands as I don't know >>> them. >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:59 AM >>> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >>> >>> >>>> The book said paragraph mode at the beginning. >>>> Any ideas. I have not tried it on the actual story. I was trying >>>> to >>>> advance by a large amount of space to find the beginning of the >>>> book. >>>> Find >>>> chapter 1 did not work. When I finally got there, the word chapter >>>> was not >>>> there, just the number. >>>> I tried page numbers and ended up in the contence. >>>> Help. This is crazy. >>>> Terry Powers >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sarai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:43 AM >>>> To: 'Braillenote List' >>>> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >>>> >>>> >>>> Your paragraph commands will only work if the reading mode is set >>>> to >>>> paragraph. The reading commands change function when the mode is >>>> set >>>> to >>>> lines or columns. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>> Powers, >>>> Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:23 AM >>>> To: 'Braillenote List' >>>> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >>>> >>>> >>>> Teri; >>>> Did you see my problem with reading a book in paragraph format? If >>>> it >>>> is a listing, will that prevent the paragraph command not to work. >>>> I >>>> can not even get the find or surch for page, line or column to >>>> work. >>>> I >>>> had a terible time making it to the first chapter in chicken Soup >>>> for >>>> the soul book 2. They did not use the word chapter. I tried >>>> strait >>>> numbers and ended up in the contence. I have written about this >>>> before >>>> and got no responce. Please help me out. space with f is find >>>> space >>>> with 1,2,6 is for page, line, column >>>> >>>> Terry Powers >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: pann1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:16 PM >>>> To: Steve Speicher >>>> Cc: Braillenote List >>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Steve and List, >>>> >>>> I will try again to explain how to get paragraphs to work right. >>>> >>>> Suppose you have a braille document opened. Each paragraph should >>>> begin >>>> with a hard return followed by two spaces. You want to translate >>>> the >>>> document into text and you want the paragraphs in the print >>>> document >>>> to >>>> begin with two hard returns. >>>> >>>> Go to the back translation options menu. You will be asked, >>>> "paragraphs >>>> in source document." You would press control enter to indicate the >>>> hard >>>> return and press the space bar twice to indicate the two spaces. I >>>> don't know what the commands are for a BT keyboard. Now, cycle >>>> through >>>> the back translations list until you come to "paragraph." Press >>>> control enter twice to indicate you want two hard returns in your >>>> print >>>> paragraphs. I don't know the BT commands. Exit and press y to >>>> save >>>> the >>>> changes. >>>> >>>> Suppose you have a text document you plan to translate into >>>> braille. >>>> >>>> Go to the forward translation options list. You will be asked >>>> "paragraph in source file" If your text document paragraphs begin >>>> with >>>> two hard returns, then press control space bar or the equivalent BT >>>> command until you get to "blank line." Now, cycle through the >>>> forward >>>> translations list until you get to "Paragraph." Press control >>>> enter >>>> spacebar spacebar or the BT equivalent command to indicate you want >>>> the >>>> paragraphs in the braille document to be a hard return followed by >>>> two >>>> spaces. Exit and save the changes. >>>> >>>> If you want these settings to be the defaults for all your >>>> documents, >>>> be >>>> sure to use the forward translation options and back translation >>>> options >>>> in the file manager menu. >>>> >>>> Once you have set up these options, you will be able to open and >>>> read >>>> a >>>> braille or text document using the paragraph commands. >>>> >>>> Now, if you want the thumb keys to jump from one paragraph to >>>> another, >>>> you would go to the braille display options and look for thumb >>>> keys. >>>> There are three choices: up and down, sentence or line and >>>> paragraph >>>> or >>>> section. Choose paragraph or section. Now your thumb keys will >>>> scroll >>>> from paragraph to paragraph. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Terri, Amateur Radio call sign, KF6CA. Army MARS call sign, AAT9PX >>>> California >>>> >>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Steve Speicher wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning, Jean: >>>> >>>> Here are two approaches to the movement-by-paragraph issue. >>>> >>>> 1. As Dean mentioned, a blank line will cause the space-with-2,3 >>>> and >>>> space-with-5,6 commands to work as you expect them two. But to get >>>> a >>>> blank line, you have to hit the enter key twice. One difficulty >>>> with >>>> this approach is that the blank line created in this way is honored >>>> when >>>> embossing and so wastes precious space on the embossed page. To >>>> avoid >>>> that problem, when you have finished editing the document and are >>>> ready >>>> to emboss, you could use the global find and replace to, so to >>>> speak, >>>> prepare the document for embossing by converting all occurrences of >>>> the >>>> double return to one return followed by two blank spaces. In the >>>> embossed document, the single return followed by the two blank >>>> spaces >>>> will give you two-space indents at the beginning of each paragraph >>>> but >>>> will not skip a line between paragraphs. If you want to do some >>>> more >>>> editing, simply reverse the global find and replace to convert each >>>> occurrence of a return followed by two spaces to two returns. In >>>> the >>>> find and replace operation, to produce the return character, press >>>> space >>>> with dots 2 and 6. You wouldn't need to convert back, since the >>>> two-space indents created with the first global replace will now >>>> make >>>> the move-by-paragraph commands work as you expect. But you might >>>> want >>>> to convert back if you want that blank line between paragraphs for >>>> the >>>> printing (instead of embossing) of the document, or if you need to >>>> do >>>> more editing and just want to save a keystroke at each paragraph >>>> break. >>>> >>>> 2. If you don't mind an extra keystroke at each paragraph break, >>>> you >>>> can >>>> press enter then add two spaces at the beginning of the new line. >>>> This >>>> requires three keystrokes (return and two spaces) instead of two >>>> (two >>>> returns); but it makes the move-by-paragraph commands work as you >>>> expect; and it avoids the need for switching back and forth between >>>> two >>>> versions of the document, one formatted for reading and one for >>>> embossing. Of course, if you want to print the document rather >>>> than >>>> emboss it, you might want the blank line between paragraphs. >>>> >>>> There's probably a third, better way to address the question. I >>>> hope >>>> one >>>> of our fine listers will post it, as I, too, would like to know >>>> what >>>> it >>>> is and how to format a document in such a way that it works equally >>>> well >>>> for printing or embossing.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:24 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote: >>>>>Okay. As far as I can figure this out so far, here's what I think >>>>>is >>>>>happening with moving by paragraph with space dots 2-3 or 5-6. . >>>>>It >>>>>works fine in any text file. It works fine in any text file >>>>>converted >>>>>to braille. It works fine in the Demonstration file included in >>>>>the >>>>>General folder by Humanware. I gather this is a braille document >>>>>created just to play with. Notably, it has one carriage return to >>>>>separate paragraphs. >>>>> >>>>>But I can't move by paragraph in any braille file I create. I've >>>>>experimented with as many combinations of reading mode and thumb >>>>>key >>>>>combos, but no go. It wants two carriage returns in a braille file >>>>>in >>>>>order to recognize it as a paragraph. All of the layout options >>>>>are >>>>>unchanged. >>>>> >>>>>Anyone have any ideas? Could this be a bug or something in 6.2? I >>>>>would assume one shold be able to move by paragraph in a braille >>>>>doc >>>>>you create. >>>>> >>>>>Jean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>___ >>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ NOD32 1.1204 (20050829) Information __________ >>>>> >>>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> >>> ___ >>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> >> > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
