Dear Barbara:

I couldn't agree with you more.  I have known a few deaf-blind people
over the years, and have had some opportunities to be an interpreter.
You go girl!  I admire you speaking up for what is needed for you.  If
people on the list criticize and reprimand what you know to be your
needs, then they are not too open in their minds.  I'm sorry you had to
endure that.  

Yes, I'd even like to have a way to talk on the phone with some people I
know who are deaf.  

I agree about instillation instructions being above the person using
them.  When I read instructions/manuals/whatever, I want specifically
what I want now, not what all the things that can be done.  Save the ads
until I've gotten my feet on the basic ground, please?  

Anyway, Barbara, I'm on your side, and I'd be happy to help in any way I
can.  

Thanks for writing.  
 

Martha Loescher, Secretary
ODNR Division of Watercraft
2045 Morse Rd 
Bldg A-3
Columbus OH  43229
Phone:  614-265-6774
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara J.
Wagreich
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:42 AM
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Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Suggestions, priorities and philosophy


Dear Jonathan:

I'm deaf-blind and oral.  I'm responding to your comments concerning 
deaf-blind users.

Even though I'm oral, I'm profoundly deaf.  there's no way I could use
the 
memo recording facility in the BN, and I would say the same for most 
deaf-blind users of the BN.  while deaf-blindness covers a broad
spectrum 
of people, many of whom may have some residual hearing, only a minority 
would have enough to be able to profit from the memo recording feature
of 
the BN.  Only a few who have enough residual hearing would be able to
use 
it.

You also said that the Keysoft installations can be done independently
by 
deaf-blind people.  when I sent a message to this list expressing my 
concern that the instructions for installing Keysoft 7 were not
deaf-blind 
user friendly, I was serverly criticized and reprimanded by a few users
on 
this lsit.  My comments were misudnerstood.  If people took the time to 
review the installation instructions for Keysoft 7, they might h ave 
understood my concern.  The instructions for the most part didn't state 
what one should see on the braille display besides the audio cues.  I 
wonder how many deaf-blind people that are profoundly deaf were able to 
install Keysoft 7 alone.

I also wonder if you have any deaf-blind BN uses who are profoundly deaf

as beta testers?

You also mentioned that features were added to the BN to reduce baggage 
for BN users, such as the FM radio, the media player, and memo
recording.

We deaf-blind were hoping the BN would have some form of TDD capability.

I understand Humanware is developing a separate TDD device, and while I
h 
ave no details about this or its portability, it would also be extra 
baggage for deaf-blind people to carray around (and much heavier than a 
RFM radio, MP3 player, and cassettse recoder).  I would have been 
delighted if there was a way to access the Internet TDD Relay services 
(there are at least three of them) using the BN -- this would be great
in 
a power outage or when there is no access to a regular phone (it could
be 
done with a cell phone).  Keyweb doesn't allow this at the present time 
but perhaps Humanware could work with one of the TDD relay services that

provide on-line relay services to allow keyweb to access their on-line 
relay service.

some of us deaf-blind have recognized the ptential of the BN as a 
face-to-face communications device using the visual display feature and
a 
second keyboard.  However the details to set up the visual display
weren't 
readily available and it took several friends and me a while to figure
out 
how to do it by trial and error.  We found a lot of information in the 
help file for the Palm Viewer on the visual display but this info wasn't

made available in a separate file, and BN tech support didn't have any 
info about how to set up the visual display to work withthe BN (they
said 
they had never done it).  while this set-up is useful, it can be 
problematic if the othe sighted person types faster than the deaf-blidn 
person can keep up with.  It isn't possible at the present time for a
deaf 
blind person to read at his/her own pace while the sighted person types.

I realize that deaf-blind users constitute a minority and therefore may 
not be regarded as big a user community as the group of blind users.  I 
understand that development is done for the biggest possible market.
But 
it would be a geginning to make the installation instructions more 
deaf-blind uer friendly, provide access to a on-line TDD Relay service, 
provide access to online chats like Instant Messenger (AIM) and provide 
information for setting up things like a communications setup.  A 
competitor has already done much work in this area, but I much prefer
the 
BN and would like to see it include more accessibility for the
deaf-blind.

Barbara Wagreich



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