Terry, Sarah, Cindy and others, This is Joseph. Before I will jump onto the boat, I'll give you some background informaition. Windows CE uses what is called Pocket Internet Explorer. While it may sound the same, it is completely different platform than IE on the PC.
Now, onto the subject: 1. The symbols can be found on chapter 12 of the User Guide (I'm sure that HW has changed the symbols a little bit). 2. The details on the BN might seem smaller than PC's. This is a technical issue (simply because Pocket Internet Explorer. Remember, that Pocket IE is not a full version of IE.). 3. There is a setting in JAWS 7.0 and onward that allows you to have the screen reader treat the web content as it appears on the screen (Freedom Scientific calls it Document Presentation Mode). When activated, the links or tables will be displayed and spoken, just like when the sighted users views the content (KeyWedb uses the same approach). 4. In roder to move between form fields (combo boxes, list boxes, check boxes, radio buttons, buttons, edit files, edit combo boxes, etc.), you can use space with dots 4-6 and 1-3. 5. There is no "auto-complete" feature in Pocket IE. Some cookies stores the user and password information for a particular site. When these kinds of cookies are dedleted, the information will be gone. 6. This is because the BN uses computer braille a lot often. I hope this information may help you. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of slerythema Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:38 AM To: 'Braillenote List' Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer Just an FYI as a continuation of this thread. One thing I have been seeing more and more is that websites will have a link for a mobile version of the page. They have created these for people that use their cell phones to access websites. In some cases, this has helped with how you are able to navigate a page when using the BN. However, I too have had problems entering my user name and password when using the BN. I don't surf often with the BN but hope when I have a chance that becoming more proficient will make this easier. Cindy > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah > Cranston > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:42 AM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer > > > When I first started playing around with KeyWeb, I figured it would be > a snap, after all, I'd been surfing the web for years with a PC. How > hard could it be? I struggled for a few days before realizing that > what I needed were several reads through the chapter on Keyweb in the > manual. This helped a great deal, there is a very comprehensive list > of commands, plus a good description of the symbols used to denote > links, edit boxes, check boxes, radio buttons, and the like. I had to > read through that chapter three or four times before it all stuck, but > I eventually got very comfortable using KeyWeb. I don't automatically > tell people to run to the manual, I do realize that doesn't work for > some people, but that might be what you need in this case. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terri > Pannett > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:58 PM > To: BrailleNote List > Subject: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer > > > Dear List, > > I have been using Keyweb for the past several days because I was not > home and I didn't have access to my PC. Most of the time, I surf the > web using my PC with Internet Explorer and WindowEyes for my screen > reader. I'm not the best web-surfer and I haven't had as much > experience with Keyweb as some of you but I have noticed some > differences. > > 1. The web pages load faster using Keyweb, but they look totally > alien to me. For one thing, the braille displays links, edit boxes, > frames and tables buttons and dialog boxes appear differently. I > suppose this must be because HumanWare decided to use different > symbols and abbreviations than GW Micro does. I suppose people who > use the shark have learned yet another set of braille symbols and > abbreviations. Although I think Keysoft is usually intuitive, I find > Keyweb not to be so intuitive with its symbols and abbreviations. > It's too bad there aren't a standard set of symbols and abbreviations > for all braille displays. > > 2. I don't know if it's just me, but I have noticed web pages on the > PC have more details than web pages on the BN. For example, let's > take the www.amazon site. I don't remember seeing a special link for > screen readers when I looked at it using the BN, but the link jumped > out at me when I used the PC. I also found it harder to search for an > item using the BN than using the PC. > > 3. The layout of the web pages seems different. On the BN, the text > goes across the line with lots of space between columns. I find this > extra space to be annoying. But on the PC, the columns are laid out > vertically and the lines are shorter. The BN occasionally gives > details about the web page, but WindowEyes always gives details like: > "11 tables, x amout of rows, x columns x frames and x headings and x > subheadings." It also tells me when I'm starting to look at a new > table, but the BN doesn't. > Since I can't tell > where one table ends and the next begins, I can't jump from one table > to the next. > > 4. If a site, like Google, has an edit box, WindowEyes will > automatically jump to the edit box but the BN always places me at the > top of the page and I have to wade through the links to find the edit > box. Also, when I go back and forth between web pages, WindowEyes > remembers where I left off but the BN doesn't. > > 5. This difference has been mentioned before, but I can't understand > why it exists. I'm referring to the fact that Windows on my PC will > remember my username and password when I go to certain web sites but > the BN won't. > Also, I'm more certain to have trouble typing in my username and > password and having the site recognize it when I use the BN. This is > annoying, especially when I want to use a "quickcheckout" or "1-click > purchase" at an online store. In fact, I couldn't even checkout with > one store--I had to phone in my order. But previously, I had been > able to set up an account and checkout using my PC. If I had had a PC > at my location, I could have placed the order online. > > 6. The BN shows everything in one grade of braille. This is fine > except > (1) when I'm looking at a URL or email address and (2) when I write in > an edit box. I can't even route the cursor to the computereze and see > the URL or email address in computer braille like I can when I'm using > Keymail. > WindowEyes, on the other hand, will always show anything under the > cursor to be in computer braille. Is there a way to route the BN's > cursor to an item without accessing a link? > > Can someone explain why Keyweb and the BN behaves differently from the > PC and WindowEyes? Does it have to do with the platform, (Windows CE > versus Windows XP) and the methods of interpreting the web sites? > > Thanks for any insight. > > Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. 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