Yes, Jonathon.  I think this was the original intent of the original message
but it some how got side tracked into the audio demos by inadvertently
calling them tutorials somewhere along the way.

I also wanted to include a personal note to you that even though we are
argue about this issue, we very much appreciate your participation and
knowledge on this list and I hope you are not letting any of this be taken
personal.

Cindy

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> Hi Ann, then by your definition, we're not even doing audio 
> tutorials. The 
> issue that has been raised is discrepancies in access to information 
> between those who use the audio and those who can't. We 
> produce no such 
> material as you are outlining in audio. What we ship with every 
> BrailleNote is pretty much a reading of Chapter One of the 
> User's Guide 
> with the BrailleNote talking to illustrate the points 
> covered. Then, we 
> produce a what's new file for each release, based again on the User's 
> Guide but using the BrailleNote. This is a demonstration, not 
> a tutorial, 
> and in the audio, it refers people to the user guide for a complete 
> explanation. And when 7.2 is released, you'll see that there 
> is a what's 
> new section of the user's guide that in one easy place shows 
> everyone how 
> to use the features. It actually covers step by step how to 
> complete new 
> tasks.
> 
> I  actually think producing such material as you suggest is a 
> really good 
> idea, and with DAISY, it makes it even more viable. But 
> that's for the 
> future, and we certainly don't do any such thing now.
> Jonathan Mosen
> BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager
> HumanWare
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> Hi all,
> 
> Excuse me for butting in here, but as an educator, I must agree with
> K.C.  There is a difference between a manual and a tutorial. 
> 
> A manual lists features and gives commands for implimenting them.  A
> tutorial assumes that a person wants to learn how to use a given
> item.  The procedures for doing so are analyzed and broken down into
> steps.  Each step is then separated out, and sometimes pretests, and
> post tests are given in addition to exercises for practice.  There are
> a set of goals outlined at the beginning of the tutorial, and each
> goal is reached by a set of objectives, measureable tasks that if done
> indicate if the student has learned what material has been presented. 
> 
> I think that the manual, although very good, is a manual, not a
> tutorial.  This is nothing against Kate at all, just a fact.  What
> folks are asking for in text form is a tutorial.
> 
> Ann P.
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