Duxbury doesn't like .brf files created on the BN or any other notetaker
because the files don't show any line endings or page endings DBT
recognizes, even if the line format option is used. When you try to open a
.brf file created on the BN using DBT and you import it as a Formatted
braille file, much of your data will be lost. If you import the .brf files
as Duxbury coded Braille files, all of the data will be there but your
formatting may be different.
There are two work-arounds: (1) When you create your .brf file on the BN,
turn word wrap off and manually insert all spaces and hard returns. (2) If
you have created a Keyword braille file using a BT keyboard and you want to
read it using DBT Win, translate the Keyword braille file to WordPerfect.
The WordPerfect file will import into DBT quite well, but you will have to
remove all of the extra asterisks which will show in the file. QT users
can translate any KeyWord text file into WP and then import the WP file into
DBT and remove the asterisks.
You can also translate any Keyword file into Word, but you must first open
the file in Word and save it as a Word 6 file and then the new Word file
will import into DBT. This is because the BN doesn't create true Word files
but Rich Text files and DBT doesn't support rtf files.
If you choose to export the KeyWord documents as ASCII text, the files won't
import well unless you open them using a text editor and save them anew.
Then, when you import the files into DBT, they will import as Windows text.
I have often suggested HumanWare should change the codes in Keyword so they
can be understood by DBT or any other PC word processor and the DBT codes
should be implemented so a .brf file created on the BN will import properly
into DBT. HumanWare should also improve the export feature so true Word
files can be created.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
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From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
Here is one moderator.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
Hello Richard,
When you save a .brf file on the BrailleNote you have the option of
saving
it complete with line formatting or with just paragraph formatting. For
.brf files, Duxbury requires that they be already line formatted so you
must use KeySoft's Line Format option when saving or exporting the .brf
file. If you use Paragraph format, Duxbry will give you a warning
"Page
width exceeded" and will truncate any content that goes beyond Duxbury'
right margin.
Where you set Line or Paragraph format depends on how you are generating
the .brf file:
1. If you are editing it in KeyWord, then at the "Review Options?"
prompt
after selecting the file, answer "yes" and then move through the list
until you get to the prompt "Use line or paragraph format when saving
the
document?" and set this to "Line".
2. In all other cases set the "Use Line or Paragraph?" setting in the
"ASCII Translation Options" to "Line". To get to the "ASCII
Translation
Options", select File Manager, then "Translate File", then "ASCII
Translation Options".
Best regards
Jonathan Sharp
HumanWare
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New Zealand
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RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
The question you should be asking is this:
How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how do
files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury.
The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you create a
.brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using the
Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the Braillenote
and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening. One
of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into
Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She
described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line breaks,
no indication as to where anything began or ended.
I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary
purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it to
create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you will
have your work cut out for you.
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Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
Hi Rick:
Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a
member of
the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several good
reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you
might
pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field.
First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest installed
base
by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are dependant
on
the size of the population a company like this serves.
Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in the
Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the Translator
used
in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I making
this
purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different
translator
is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of comparison,
this
may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate.
Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What
Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost of
developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. Believe
me,
that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the
PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most. If
you
accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point about
the
size of the installed base.
Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print
formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this is
by
far the best system for relating to print formatting.
Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues.
Rather
then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with all
3) I'd
ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille reader.
I
think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family is
the
best by far.
Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I hope
you
are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want to
ask
a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and
comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that is
refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can easily
be
confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow down
Braille reading particularly in young people.
Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of
cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new
hardware by
unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your
district
in the long run. I trust something here is helpful.
Alan Holst
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From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect
the
appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows;
I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate
hearing
from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to and
from
the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? Does formatting remain in tact?
Rick Boggess
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