I know that, but I'm still opposed to adopting the code and so far the US hasn't adopted it. Besides, the full version of Duxbury still uses the grade 2 tables for the US and UK and it also supports the Australian earlier code before they adopted this monster.
Who cares to know what the font for a book is? I sure don't! The fonts are for sighted people, not for us. Terri On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Sharon on BN wrote: Hi, just to let you know that Duxbery is also bringing out UEB so this might have something to do with the decision behind Braillenote bring it in. >From Shaz. BN classic and PK user. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Stoodley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected] >Date sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:58:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >I admit that, even in literary braille some of the UEB multi-character >punctuation signs take some getting used to, but they do become >familiar after awhile. I've only experienced UEB literary braille >code. Change is almost always uncomfortable. I am not interested in >becoming a defender of UEB. Its inclusion in KeySoft 7.5 simply means >an extra translation table in the upgraded Duxbury translator. It >will be available for those who want it, and can be ignored by those >who want to do that, in the same way that I do not use many of the >translation tables the BrailleNote provides. I don't understand the >level of anxiety sometimes expressed on this list about UEB's being >included in KeySoft 7.5. And let's leave it there, OK? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Graham Stoodley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BrailleNote List" ><[email protected] >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 3:09 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >Hi, Graham, >I looked at the list of ueb symbols on the ICEB web page. Included on >this >list were the symbols for math and computer braille. The list didn't >include any contractions or short-form words or any of the grade 2 >code. >The ICEB web page admitted the rules for grade 2 haven't been >finalized. >I found this list of symbols to be mind-boggling. UEB has so many >two-cell >symbols and three-cell symbols! Look at the list and see for >yourself. >Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Stoodley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BrailleNote List" ><[email protected] >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:52 AM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >> Well, Terry, there is obviously more than one view on UEB. I've >> been >> reading the literary version of UEB regularly for the past year, and >> it's not hard to read at all. I've been reading braille for 60 >> years. >> At least in literary braille, tests at the National Braille Press >> suggest UEB might add 2 pages more for every 100 pages of braille. >> That, in my view, is not the exorbitant increase in space your note >> suggests. I am not familiar with the UEB mathematics code, and so >> do >> not comment on it, but the UEB code for literary or textbook braille >> is not the monster you suggest. Just how much experience with UEB >> have you had? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected] >> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:27 PM >> Subject: Fw: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >> I meant to send this message to the list as well as to Sharon >> because >> I >> believe everyone should understand what this new code would mean to >> us >> if it >> should be adopted. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: "Sharon S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>> Dear Sharon and All, >>> I have looked at articles and features about this code and it's my >>> understanding the code isn't at all like the Grade 2 English >>> braille >>> currently used and it isn't like the Nemeth Code for math nor is it >>> like >>> the computer braille code. The UEB is a totally different animal >>> and if >>> it's adopted, (heaven forbid), all of us will have to learn braille >>> all >>> over again. It will be much more difficult to learn and cumbersome >>> to >>> use. The code will take up more space and it's the weirdest thing >>> I've >>> ever seen. Not only that, the rules haven't been finalized and >>> there >>> are >>> several committees working on them. >>> I know that the currently used math braille is different in the US >>> and UK, >>> but I don't think the literary braille or the music braille is so >>> different. I have read some books and music which were brailled by >>> RNIB. >>> The bottom line is this: UEB is a step backward and it's so complex >>> that >>> in my opinion it will hurt braille literacy because it will be too >>> hard to >>> learn. >>> I'm thankful the BN will still support the current grade 2 braille >>> and >>> computer braille. >>> Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sharon S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:04 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>>> Hi, I am really behind on mail after being away for a week and my >>>> PK >>>> broke >>>> just before I went away so I didn't have any computer access while >>>> away. >>>> To answer your question UEB is still grade two Braille. The idea >>>> behind >>>> it >>>> is to get all English speaking countries using the same Braille >>>> code, but >>>> the US hasn't taken it up. Before UEB was introduced Australia >>>> used >>>> a >>>> different code to New Zealand so we couldn't swap any Braille >>>> between the >>>> two countries because we couldn't understand everything in each >>>> others >>>> code. >>>> Now if all English speaking countries use UEB then it would make >>>> it >>>> easier >>>> for students going overseas to study because they wouldn't have to >>>> learn >>>> a >>>> hole new code for the country they are in. With electronic Braille >>>> it >>>> doesn't matter as much as long as the computer can convert between >>>> the >>>> codes. >>>> I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if you want to >>>> know >>>> more. >>>> Better go I have heaps more emails to look at and I have to get my >>>> PK >>>> ready >>>> to post back to the shop for tomorrow. >>>> From Shaz. >>>> BN Classic and PK user. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: "Sharon on BN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[email protected] >>>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:57 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>>> Do you mean grade 2 braille is no longer produced in your country? >>>> How >>>> terrible! Just think of how much space and paper a book would >>>> take >>>> using >>>> this awful code! I hope the US doesn't replace the grade 2 >>>> braille >>>> code >>>> with the UEB code! That would be a step backwards! >>>> Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sharon on BN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: <[email protected] >>>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:43 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>>> : Hi, just to let you know. All people in Australia are now >>>> : intreducing UEB. Where I work we don't produce any braille that >>>> : isn't UEB. I am still trying to learn it for teaching so having >>>> : it in my BN QT will be very helpful. >>>> : >>>> : >From Shaz >>>> : BN classic and PK user. >>>> : >>>> : > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> : >From: "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >To: <[email protected]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >Date sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:15:02 +0100 >>>> : >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>>> : >>>> : >Deon, >>>> : >>>> : >A couple of us commented briefly on this the other day . ... >>>> : >>>> : >Frankly, there's not that much, especially for PK users, and >>>> I'm >>>> : a bit >>>> : >unsure about the introduction of Unified English Braille at >>>> this >>>> : stage >>>> : >since, so far as I am aware, we're still waiting for BAUK to >>>> : carry out some >>>> : >kind of survey and the work is ongoing; so isn't this a bit >>>> : premature? >>>> : >>>> : >You'll certainly find that there are a number of items that >>>> only >>>> : apply to >>>> : >mPower users. I use a PK. >>>> : >>>> : >I sure wish someone from Humanware would comment about the >>>> : provision of a >>>> : >"lesser upgrade" for some of us, and this isn't the first time. >>>> : >>>> : >However, as I said the other day, I guess we'll have to run >>>> with >>>> : it in order >>>> : >to purchase any future upgrades - and of course Humanware know >>>> : this! >>>> : >>>> : >-- >>>> : >Carol >>>> : >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >----- Original Message ----- >>>> : >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >To: <[email protected] >>>> : >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> : ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> : ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:19 AM >>>> : >Subject: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >> Hi all >>>> : >>>> : >> Some time ago some of us, living outside the USA, stated that >>>> we >>>> : feel the >>>> : >> limited benefits offered in the 7.5 upgrade does not warrant >>>> the >>>> : cost to >>>> : >> us of the SMA. >>>> : >>>> : >> 1. How do those of you outside the USA feel? >>>> : >>>> : >> 2. Has Humanware taken note of this? >>>> : >>>> : >> 3. If they have, is there something in the pipeline to make >>>> 7.5 >>>> : worth >>>> : >> paying for to us? >>>> : >>>> : >> All feedback welcome. >>>> : >>>> : >> Deon >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >> ___ >>>> : >> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>> : >> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>> : >> copy to the list as well. >>>> : >>>> : >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> : >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> : >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >___ >>>> : >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>> : >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>> : >copy to the list as well. >>>> : >>>> : >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> : >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> : >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : ___ >>>> : Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>> : If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>> : copy to the list as well. >>>> : >>>> : To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> : http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : __________ NOD32 2379 (20070704) Information __________ >>>> : >>>> : This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> : http://www.eset.com >>>> : >>>> : >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>> It has removed 2651 spam emails to date. >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> __________ NOD32 2390 (20070710) Information __________ >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >> ___ >> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >> copy to the list as well. >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> __________ NOD32 2397 (20070713) Information __________ >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >___ >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >copy to the list as well. >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. 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