Hello MS. Pannett,
This is Kristen.
THANK You Very Very Much!
I will ask Alex!
Again THANK You Very Very Much!
Have A Good Day!
("SO FAITH, HOPE, LOVE REMAIN, THESE THREE; BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE IS
LOVE!")
From Your FRIEND, In OUR LORD And SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, And OUR BLESSED VIRGIN MOTHER MARY,
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Kristen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:14:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Hi, Christen,
I don't know all of the students, but I think Alex Parks is one.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Hello MS. Pannett,
This is Kristen.
Thank You Very Very Much For Your Assistance In Answering these
Questions'!
Who might some of the students on the list be?
THANK You For The Answer To this Question!
And THANK You For Answering My Previous QUESTIONS'!
Have A Good Day!
("SO FAITH, HOPE, LOVE REMAIN, THESE THREE; BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE
IS LOVE!")
From Your FRIEND, In OUR LORD And SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, And OUR BLESSED
VIRGIN MOTHER MARY, Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Kristen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:46:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Hi, Christen,
A sighted person should be able to read Spanish.
I can't answer your question about writing Spanish. Perhaps one of the
students on the BN list could tell you how to get accessible tools such as
dictionaries. You could also contact the Hadley School for the Blind and
see if they have any courses to teach a person how to read and write
Spanish. Their toll free number is 800-323-4238. Ask to be connected to
Student Services.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[email protected]
Cc: <[email protected]>; "BrailleNote List"
<[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Hello MS. Pannett,
This is Kristen.
So what your saying is a sighted person who does not know braille but
knows spanish will be able to read what I write?
I know how to speak the language but I do not know how to spell anything
except (Hola) in spanish.
Is there somewhere I could look up how to spell the words also?
THANK You For All Of the INFORMATION You Have Given Me!
And Thank You In Advance For The Answers To the questions I've Written
Above!
Have A nice Day!
("SO FAITH, HOPE, LOVE REMAIN, THESE THREE; BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE
IS LOVE!")
From Your FRIEND, In OUR LORD And SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, And OUR BLESSED
VIRGIN MOTHER MARY, Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Kristen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[email protected]
Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:47:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Hi, Christen,
You must write your assignments in t-braille that is, grade 0 braille.
All
the special symbols will have to be inserted by using the unicode
tables.
Some BT users on the list have said they use some 8 dot symbols to
produce
the special symbols. Someone else will have to tell you about that.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]
Cc: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: re: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Hello Ms. Pannett,
You mean that my sighted friends who know spanish will not be able to
read
emails I send them in spanish?
I do not have any blind friends at least none that Know spanish to
well!
So please tell me if the sighted friends' and family I have will be
able
to read the spanish I send in emails?
Also My spanish teacher doesn't know braille in english let alone
spanish
what am I supposed to do about that?
THANKS!
("SO FAITH, HOPE, LOVE REMAIN, THESE THREE; BUT THE GREATEST OF
THESE
IS LOVE!")
From Your FRIEND, In OUR LORD And SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, And OUR BLESSED
VIRGIN MOTHER MARY, Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]
Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:33:54 -0700
Subject: [Braillenote] foreign languages again
Dear List,
I have been doing some research on this subject and I can't say I have
a
handle on it, but this is what I discovered so far. (I'm talking
about
languages which use an alphabet like ours.)
1. When using the BN, you must write the document in computer
braille.
2. QT users must use the unicode tables for the special accented
symbols.
3. According to BANA rules, foreign languages should be written in
grade
1
uncontracted braille. This cannot be done on a BN, but it can be done
on
a
PC using DBT Win. You must use the grade 1 code so the document will
translate into correct grade 1 braille. You must also insert the
special
characters either by locating them on the code lists or by holding
down
the
alt key and typing the numeric ansi or unicode value. The BAUK rules
are
different from the BANA rules and they handle foreign languages using
different rules. Both the American and British tables use English as
the
primary language and the foreign language as the secondary language.
4. Some users on the list mentioned they can write special symbols on
the
BN using 8 dot computer braille. Bu QT users can't do this.
5. There is a difference between writing braille in a foreign
language
so
blind people can read it and writing foreign languages so sighted
people
can
read them.
6. Grade 1 braille is not the same as computer braille and computer
braille
is not the same as the computer braille code.
7. If a blind person is reading an American English textbook which
has
English and a foreign language passages in it, he or she will be
reading
the
English text in grade 2 and the foreign language in grade 1 braille so
the
punctuation for the foreing language should be the same as grade 1.
For
example, the comma is dot 2, the period is dots 2,5,6 and dot 6 is the
capital sign. Each foreign language has its own braille symbols for
the
accented letters, the inverted question mark and exclamation point and
so
on. But if a person is reading a book with an occasional foreign
language
word in it, he or she will read grade 2 braille English with the
foreign
language word showing the accents with dot 4 in front of them.
8. If a blind person is reading an assignment he or she has prepared
for
a
sighted teacher to read, the blind person will see computer braille on
his
or her display. BN QT users must remember to pres the enter key
followed
by
read control b c to make sure the braille they see is computer
braille.
The
computer braille symbols for punctuation will be different from their
textbooks: the period will be dots 4,6, the comma will be dot 5, and
the
special symbols such as inverted question mark inverted hyphen and
accented
letters will appear as blank cells unless you assign them to a special
symbol.
8. In order to see the capital signs in computer braille, you must
have
8
dot braille as your display option. Capital letters should appear
with
dot
7 at the bottom of each letter. But if the capital letter is a
special
symbol, it will appear as whatever dots you assigned to it.
9. It is not possible to write accents in 6 dot braille and have them
translated into correct print. For example, you can't press dots
1,2,5,6
or
shift 9 for a Spanish a acute.
I would love for someone using 8 dot braille to send me privately a
list
of
the symbols for Spanish and German and how a person is able to write
special
symbols without using the tables. It could be that each foreign
language
has its own computer braille symbols and they might be different than
ours.
Lastly, the computer braille on the BN is not the same as the Computer
braille code. The computer braille on the BN has a one-on-one
correspondence between the symbols and one cell is used for each
letter
or
symbol. The computer braille code uses two-celled symbols and it is
much
more complicated. For example, all of the capital letters are
brailled
using dots 4,5,6 in front of them. Here again, the American Computer
braille code and the British computer braille code are different.
If this sounds confusing to you, it's confusing me, too.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
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