Hi, I guess that would be a far more powerful solution, then. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:52 PM To: Joseph Lee; 'Joe Orozco'; 'BN List' Subject: Re: [Braillenote] No SDK for Keysoft
The thought strikes me that, instead of a petition, we just get a brief "why you should release it" text from every interested party, whether a possible programmer or just someone who feels that they, and other users, would benefit from an SDK. We then compile all of the texts into a single, huge email, and send it to hw tech support as well as customer service. Thoughts? Have a great day, Alex New email address: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <[email protected]> To: "'Joe Orozco'" <[email protected]>; "'BN List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 20:48 Subject: RE: [Braillenote] No SDK for Keysoft > Hi, > I see your point. > As for assistive tech in general, I do have that one as my final research > area. But as it is, I (and others) would like to start contributing to > small > things before moving onto big things. I plan to teach computer science to > future students, but as it turns out, the best way to teach it is via > trials > and errors (I learned this rule during my C++ class). > As for the petition, if we phrase it right, we can hit a jackpot - the > text > of the petition should be simplified so that even a newbie can understand > it. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:32 PM > To: 'BN List' > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] No SDK for Keysoft > > Well, let's be a little reasonable guys. It seems a bit risky to base > your > studies on the presumption that you will work for a specific company, > especially with one where you already know the operating system is a > closed > one. It seems your genius should be built to help improve assistive > technology as a whole rather than the features of a single product. A > petition is unlikely, since most people will probably not know what SDK > stands for, let alone how to use it to add features to the device. I > follow > Alex and Joseph diligently, because your input is always solid, but I am a > little surprised at the both of you for putting all your eggs in one > basket. > > Joe Orozco > > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the > crowd."--Max Lucado > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex Hall > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:23 PM > To: Joseph Lee; 'BN List' > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] No SDK for Keysoft > > I agree. My goal for years, and my main reason for going into > my field of study, was to work for HW writing programs for the > bn, and it has always been my hope that an SDK would one day be > available that would let me start writing programs. Imagine > having more games available than just z-games; keysoft-specific > card games, Battleship, and more... and those would just be the > practice programs coming from the people starting to use the > SDK. Then we get a timer instead of just a stopwatch, maybe, > depending on how deep into keysoft we can get, things like > creating a keybase database from a csv file instead of having > to create the database ahead of time, and other improvements we > have long wanted but never gotten. I am not talking about huge > changes like fixing Word support (that has to come from > Microsoft), but many other options, aside from the few I have > put here, would be possible, and all it would take is someone, > or a few people, with this SDK writing, testing, and releasing > the programs. Best of all, if the person did not want to, they > would not have to charge anything; at the very least, they > could charge much less than the $200 per upgrade we currently > pay for. I can imagine each card game costing $5 or $10, for > example, and that cost would only be there to cover the initial > cost of the SDK that the programmer had to pay. > > All this opportunity, though, will never happen since hw > refuses to allow its products to be expanded by the very people > who use them on a daily basis. I, for one, would sign any > petition put forth to ask hw to offer an SDK. Even if it was > offered with the understanding that use of any programs made > using it that cause damage would not be covered by tech > support/repair, I would be fine with that. There is very little > you can do to a bn that re-installing keysoft will not fix, and > I would expect the SDK to have an emulator for testing your > program before you ever put it onto an actual bn product. HW, > please reconsider your stance on this important issue! > > > Have a great day, > Alex > New email address: [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Lee" <[email protected]> > To: "'Alex Hall'" <[email protected]>; "'BN List'" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 20:12 > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] No SDK for Keysoft > > >> WHAT!!! NO WAY!!! We need something more drastic than this... >> This is illogical: how can a product grow and exhibit > potential when the >> very way of doing it is closed? We have people who are > willing to do it >> and >> sacrifice time and effort for it. I am shocked by this > revelation. Folks, >> we >> need another petition... NO individualized and open SDK, no > potential for >> BrailleNote for future engineers! >> For me (and for possibly others), the prospect of programmability of >> BrailleNote has been the driving force behind some of us > taking computer >> science as our college major. The reason why I decided to > specialize in >> assistive technology and embedded system all came forth because of >> BrailleNote. If a very device was used as an inspiration, I > view that it >> needs further enlightenment via an easy to access, open programming >> environment where professionals and students can showcase their >> engineering >> talent. Also, the overall perception and experience of using > KeySoft can >> be >> improved if useful third-party programs from professionals > and students >> (who >> are dedicated to BN) are released. I do understand the > company's message >> that it needs to protect things from competetors. However, > for things like >> this, I view that availability of the KeySoft SDK would be a > far better >> solution for our future. >> Thanks. >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:52 PM >> To: BN List >> Subject: [Braillenote] No SDK for Keysoft >> >> Hi all, >> Just so everyone knows: I just talked with tech support through email, >> asking about pricing and availability of an SDK for keysoft, > like the one >> that Sendero Group uses. They said that the SDK cannot be lisenced to >> individuals (the way they put it was "no public SDK"), and > there are no >> plans, as far as my rep is aware, to change that. Tech support was >> apparently unmoved by my point that so many little things > that users would >> like could be solved this way, like metric converters, extensions to >> keyplus, or a countdown timer. So, sadly, no SDK for private > use, and no >> plans to ever offer one. 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