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Hi everyone,

I have just got to the bottom of the lengthy and largely pointless thread 
concerning the apparent delivery failure notices.  I owe all of you an 
explanation, though I have only just got back and only just unbounced 
myself due to my lengthy absence of queueing time and hence have only just 
begun to receive a day or so's worth of list mail.  I don't really know 
how long you've been seeing these types of messages, therefore, but I do 
recommend that you do as I would do in future - delete them without 
further consideration.  They reached the mailing list because the sender 
fields, which were probably forged, were valid subscriber addresses - so 
if you see a very likely real email address in the sender field with a 
subject line such as that, it's a fake.  You know they don't apply to you, 
especially if you got the list mail you sent, so don't worry about it, and 
certainly don't storm the list with discussion about it.  It was this 
latter which prompted me to give the matter closer investigation in the 
hopes of perhaps putting a stop to it (yes, that's right - the 
discussion).

First of all, the actual cause was one or more (or perhaps just the one, 
under different IP addresses) customers who were, by the looks of it, 
infected with some sort of worm which generated these messages.  I admit 
that none of them look particularly dangerous or threatening, but there's 
no doubt that forgery was involved, so that spam and viruses (and almost 
certainly the latter) seem to be the only candidates.  Some messages like 
these are actually generated by legitimate programs such as MailWasher's 
so-called bounce function, though sender fields are not usually forged, 
and the practice is both pointless (since anyone but the most basic mail 
user can see through the pretense) and possibly harmful (since spam and 
virus headers are forged, so replying or bouncing to it can be detrimental 
to one or more users or domains and can just add to the problem).  The IP 
addresses belong to Pacific Bell, whose abuse desk has been notified.  The 
complaints were copied to PulseData, though it is well understood that 
they cannot in this position do anything about it by simply administering 
the mailing list (and that to prevent it from happening in the future, the 
mail system administrator must prevent mail from the IP addresses, not 
reject mail based on possibly legitimate sender fields or envelope as is 
possible with Mailman's interface).

So, guys, please just chill and try not to react violently or in surprised 
fashion (and in the form of a large thread of near-identical messages) by 
these things.  Mailman, which runs this list, manages bounces 
automagically - I myself was a victim of this excellent automagic.  The 
errors notify is an address designed to feed Mailman with bounces 
generated by mail system software due to improper deliveries, the result 
of which will be user notification and inevitable unsubscription, all 
handled automagically and without the need for human involvement.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

- -- 
Thought for the day:
    Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting
    for the TV repairman.


Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Phone: +44 20 88008915
Mobile: +44 7986 053399
http://www.sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/
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