Hi rhonda,

On 6 Aug 2004 at 10:42, rhonda clark spoke, thus:

> I don't mean to complain, but what takes time for me is to reread what a
> person has already written.  Could this be placed at the bottom, and the
> new stuff be at the beginning? Grin!

Top posting is bad.  Here's an example:

Q: Oh! Now it makes sense to me. Okay! No more top-posting for me!  
A: > It's annoying because it reverses the normal
   > order of conversation. In fact, many people
   > ignore top-posted messages.
Q: > > What's so wrong with that?
A: > > > That's posting your response before
   > >  > the message you're quoting.
Q: > > > > People keep bugging me about
   > > > > "top-posting." What does that mean?

Read that in reverse to understand that, as you are expecting others to do 
for your mail, and perhaps you'll see why I am trying hard to encourage 
people to write their email conservatively and in a clear format that 
everyone appreciates and understands.  You are asking people to read the 
original text, usually substantially overquoted and separated from your 
original post by much intervening rubbish from Microsoft email programs 
with details of the original sender and beneath your possibly short 
response, to get the slightest context of what you are replying to, 
causing excessive cursor movement which is excrutiatingly annoying and 
makes me less inclined to interject into the dialog, or at least to be 
complete in my response and address each of your questions.  At the 
absolute worst, in extreme cases of entire message digests being quoted, I 
will often zap the message right away, deciding that the person, whether 
well-meaning or not, consider their words infinitely more representative 
than anyone elses'.  If you want to go the whole hog, and I encourage you 
and everyone else here to do so also, please read this:
http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/
(simple points that makes your time spent with email users and newsgroups 
of greatest value, and which encourages clear communication)

About the only objection to proper netiquette for blindness-related lists, 
apart from actually wanting to bother to practice real netiquette, seems 
to be the need to reach the reply quickly.  I suppose searching for the 
reply is a chore, but it is less of one than replying to the message 
clearly, if that is your intention, with a top-posted message.  I don't 
have a brilliant short-term memory and it isn't enough to keep looking for 
things in the original message I haven't yet noted on.  Also, I happen to 
know that Window-Eyes has the ability to skip quoted text - if you have 
similar features in your screen reader, use them!  Remember, the screen 
reader is there to help you, not to cause you to lower standards of 
usability for blindness' sake.  I suppose this leads to two more 
suggestions for the BrailleNote:

1.  Permit customisable header line to appear at the top of quoted text 
when you hit reply button.  This is another thing that stops me from using 
the email program to any real extent.  For instance, see the reply header 
at the top of the message I am replying to.  You see how the reference is 
clearly made to the original message with author and date and time, rather 
than me having to manually strip out the headers, and then insert various 
pieces of information from those headers at the top of my reply, as I 
presently have to do with the BrailleNote.

2.  Allow the skipping of quoted lines (those beginning with a number of 
characters, such as >, }, | and a number of others), so that people can 
jump straight to the first line of non-quoted text.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

-- 
Thought for the day:
    Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people 
    that they are right, whether they are or not.


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