I need to go open it again :( 
so it looks like after about 20 minutes or so of keeping the temperature to 
the preset 199F it starts to go up and fluctuate. I noticed when that 
starts to happen I can see water vapor inside the PID digits even more I 
got a water dropping from between the PID and the front plate (I'll upload 
a picture) 

Last time it was open I noticed the was a transparent plastic tape on top 
of the PID that pealed off and I didn't bother to stick it back, I wonder 
if that's the reason otherwise I'll have to see how can water make it 
inside the PID ... 

-g


On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:12:22 AM UTC-7, Bruce Keeler wrote:
>
> I concur. If the display was accurately reading 270 and the PID continues 
> to show plausible numbers, then the temp sensor is OK. That leaves the PID 
> (or the older controller if that's what you have)
>
> On 6/20/16 10:07 AM, Ben McCafferty wrote:
>
> Maybe an anomaly, but probably temp sensor and/or PID controller--my money 
> is on the PID. 
> b
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 10:01, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote:
>
> yep, over temp switched was tripped, I reset it now things seem to have 
> come back to normal and temp is stable - the question is was this because 
> of the temp sensor or because of the PID. I hope I won't have to find out 
> soon ;) 
>
> bmc, thanks for the tip ! 
>
>
> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:42:01 AM UTC-7, bmacpiper wrote: 
>>
>> Hoping your over temp switch on the brew boiler tripped. That would 
>> explain no power to brew boiler. My guess is temp controller is the problem 
>> since it would be the part to cut off the boiler at set temp. Reset the 
>> over temp switch, turn on and watch brew temp; if it starts going high 
>> again you've confirmed the cause of no power to the boiler. Not sure if 
>> there's another way for us laymen to test temp controller except just 
>> trading it out. Might ping Todd as well. 
>> Best,
>> bmc
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 23:36, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> hey guys,  
>> like the subject says, this morning I turned it on and an hour later I 
>> found it showing 270F. (was set @ 199F)  
>> reading was real, when pulling down on the lever steam would come out of 
>> the group head. 
>> Anyways, I turned it off then turned it back on, then it never reached 
>> nominal again. After it cooled down I opened it and it looks like only the 
>> steam boiler is heating up. Unfortunately my multimeter is dead (I can only 
>> measure resistance not voltage) and I could only measure that both heating 
>> elements have the same resistance (about 14 or 16 ohms) so they're prob. 
>> both ok. I ordered another multimeter and when I get it I'll try to follow 
>> the measurement tips from the WLL video 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIiLeRdVWAU>  unless somebody saw this 
>> happening before and can point me what the problem was in their case ;)
>>
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