DO YOU  mean "superb"?

Rocket, quickmill, and profitec are all better choices.
 Fit and finish, design all of that.  2 identical sized boilers in
brutus??  LOL.  NO one does that.
BTW replacement of electronics should NOT be a routine, period.

La spaziale *dream*  a far better value than LM.  full information on a
touch screen.  everything else is 10-15 YEARS behind

 BONUS!!  NONE of the e61 maintenance hassles!

*"five figure cost"  WTF? *

*IN re: SLAYER:*

1) Poorly designed, ILL-fitting sheet metal.
2) ALL the expensive electronics mounted UNDER the boilers, vulnerable to
water leaks onto 240 volts -- and destruction.
3) Money spent on thick slabs of expensive metal, serving no function other
than decoration.
4) Poor parts support -- VERY slow.
5)  badly made wire harnesses, too short / too long, etc.
6) ridiculously over priced.

(from a guy who works on them, ME)

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Eric Christoffersen <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I'll share my opinions.
>
> The brewtus is pretty hokey inside, so won't call the construction
> 'suburb', but at the same time I've found it to be very maintainable for
> many years. As in, I'm managing to keep it limping along just fine for
> years now. At this point to me the brewtus is like an old can opener, an
> old appliance. You'd need to have something wrong with you to desire a
> different can opener. Brewtus gets the job done. I'm sure there are others
> that do so in the same price range.
>
> I find a real difference between the best café coffee and what I make at
> home, but its not enough of a difference for me to care about. I did buck
> up and get a used Robur grinder and for me that made a huge difference in
> consistency (and huge reduction in kitchen sound level.)
>
> In my experience while the grinder isn't more important than having a
> decent machine, it is much more magical and worthy of desire than the
> machine itself. I got to use a Versalab M3 with the brewtus for a week, it
> was the hugest PITA to use - wife complained, but it did make delicious
> coffee. Won't say M3 was better than robur but was different. Brewtus is
> good enough to appreciate those differences which itself is pretty crazy. I
> have a Lido 3 that I use for pourover at work (just a melitta #2 cone.) I
> used the Lido 3 a few times with brewtus and again flavor is excellent with
> brewtus, not better than robur but different. I wouldn't want to hand grind
> in the kitchen though.
>
> I have a friend with an upgraded GS3, with same beans it can pull a better
> ristretto. But delta is not nearly enough to give me upgrade-itis. Downside
> of GS3 is big entry price, I think it is ugly and then ~$250 and transport
> hassle every so often to get that preinfusion control rebuilt. LaMarzocco
> is fantastic about parts and service though. Fantastic.
>
> If I was in the market for a more expensive machine than a brewtus I'd
> look for a Synesso or Slayer, those would maximize pride of ownership for
> me and they're f'ing gorgeous inside. That is pretty far out along the
> lunatic fringe though. Wish I knew someone that crazy.
>
> My Brewtus does go down with an issue every few years. Once or twice my
> wife has suggested we get a different machine. Each time the fix has been
> <$100, and that is sweet bullet dodging compared to the 5 figure cost
> of a real upgrade.
>
> I think the Brewtus is a pretty damn good deal. No regrets here. Don't
> skimp on the grinder and don't skimp on the beans (which are what really
> dominate the cost of ownership...)
>
> Eric
>
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