I had forgotten I started this thread. I got a Crem One Profiler. Very nice machine. Can do pressure profiling manually, record the results and then play it back. Not a big deal, but it is nice that you can schedule on/off times without needing an external timer. The only issue is that with the advanced electronics, it can be a little quirky.
I sent my Brewtus II to WLL to be completely refurbished and then sent to my son in Seattle. It was expensive and took a long time. $900. I sent it to them Nov 2021 and they just finished refurbishing it today. March 2022. I think the problem was a supply chain issue and they had to wait for parts. On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-5 KittJ wrote: > The steam boiler size is pretty irrelevant unless you are steaming a cold > 24 oz of milk in a 32 oz pitcher for several latte. > > FWIW, you can crank the Brewtus pressure way beyond 1.4 , that is simply > their recommendation. But when you crank it way up, it will be emitting > steam at “hole blasting” pressure with most common nozzles. > > Most baristas seem to be comfortable with temperatures/pressure in the > 1.4 - 1.6 range for milk. Many of us Brewtus experimented with going up to > 2.0 ... I never met any professional with sensitive taste buds who wanted > more than that. > > RE Profitec,, The head of WLL was quite partial to the Profitec line ... > he considered it a well designed machine and the most physically accessible > prosumer machine for people comfortable with playing with the insides of > their machine. I seriously considered it, but decided I wanted factory > installed levers on the steam rather than knobs. Hardly a particularly > admirable criterion, I admit, but I let my dopamine have too much influence > on the final choice. > > I did send one of my Brewtus units to WLL and had it refurbished... they > did a very thorough job. Replaced many parts and added some upgrades ... > all at a fixed price with no telephone discussions about “should we repair > or replace X” No complaints on that score. The only downside was that I > was without the machine for about six weeks. That machine is still on > active duty with my grandson and 5 roommates. > > > > On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Richard <[email protected]> wrote: > > KittJ, > > Thanks. Your observations are very interesting. > > The Crem Duo (from Brewtus company) has a 1.5-liter brew and 1.7-liter > steam boiler. > WLL makes a big point of the size of the brew boiler in their YouTube for > it and say that most in the class have a .75 liter brew boiler. They said > it was important, but did not explain why. > Your description makes a lot of sense. Yes, pulling multiple shots quickly > is important to me. > > The Profitech 6000 has a .75 liter brew boiler. Is that what you have? > Based on what you said, I would eliminate the Profitech. That had looked > interesting because they claimed a higher steam pressure of 2.0. The > Brewtus II only goes up to 1.4. > > I thought about the Crem Infuser rather than the Duo. > For an extra $200 you get a different, quieter pump that allows control of > pre-infusion time. I don't think those are important features for me. > > I had thought about one of the PID enabled HX machines that are less > expensive than the double boilers. WLL youtube videos made them sound > interesting. > But, I read at other sites that they had a 20 minute recovery time between > shots. Not for me. > > I am still trying to fix my Brewtus II. But, if that fails, I will > definitely get a new machine soon. > > > Given the > > > > > On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 10:33:19 PM UTC-5 KittJ wrote: > >> I would not presume to tell you the “best” machine, but I will warn you >> that the Brewtus machines have spoiled you. That big 2 L. brew boiler and >> its PID lets you pull 4 or 5 shots in rapid succession without requiring a >> wait for the boiler to recover. >> >> Unfortunately, after using all the Brewtus machines over a 14 year span, >> I decided to try a highly regarded new machine with several new bells and >> whistles the Brewtus lacked. ... it also included a .75 L brew boiler (“you >> don’t need to wait so long to bring it up to temp in the morning!!”). >> >> Bad move. >> I often needed to pull at least 3 or 4 shots quickly during the AM and >> with the .75 L boiler I can’t even flush and pull 2 in a row without >> affecting the taste or waiting an annoyingly long time between the shots. >> >> However, If you don’t need rapid succession pulls, you might not ever >> notice the weakness. >> >> I would also suggest you carefully check the current draw ... the Brewtus >> really can function in a 15 amp kitchen. The new super-duper machine needed >> a 20 amp circuit wired in. Resetting the circuit breaker gets old in a >> hurry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2021, at 5:23recover PM, Richard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> What would you get if you had to replace a Brewtus? >> I am looking at Crem ONE DUO-V or Crem ONE INFUSER or maybe *Profitec >> Pro 600.* >> >> The Crem machines are brand new at WLL and come for the parent company >> that used to make Brewtus. The Crem videos from WLL look good. But, it is >> brand new in the USA. >> >> I have done repairs on my BII 4 or 5 times this past year. >> Right now the brew boiler is not heating up. >> I think this is because a wire has dropped out of the pid slot and I >> can't get it back in. >> The BII might just be too fragile at this point in time to survive. >> I am tired of ongoing problems. 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