John D. Giorgis wrote:

>All I'm saying is that it makes no sense to ruin us because we "might" ruin
>the Earth.    (Actually, it is highly unlikely that we would ruin the
>Earth, short of nukeing the whole thing.   Things like global warming,
>while they might make life pretty miserable for us, might actually improve
>biodiversity on Earth.   Sort of like the greening of Antarctica.) 

So, in other words, we're only capable of destroying ourselves and the 
few other billion species that exist on the Earth, not the Earth itself, 
which will probably just go back to primordial soup level. I agree. Is 
this supposed to be optimistic?
  
>
>Look, the environment is going to be changed by human activity.   There
>isn't much that rational beings *can* do to avoid impacting the environment
>in one way or the other.   Now, we can either fear the change, or we can
>understand the change, and work with the change.   I'm just asking that we
>do the latter. 

"The environment" is going to be changed by human activity- because we 
are a part of the environment. Let's throw these artificial distinctions 
out of the window right now. The difference between us and the rest of 
"the environment" is that we are self-concious.

The arguement you seem to use, John (please note I say "seem to"- this is 
all assumption- please correct me where necessary) and which seems to be 
in popular usuage, is that this self-conciousness removes us from the 
sphere of "the environment" and to a plane of higher being (in your view) 
or to the level of scum-sucking destroyers (in the view of the more 
radical end of the environmentalist movement). In either case the 
assumption is that, for better or worse, our desires, needs, wants, and 
choices are outside of the "environment" and must be considered 
seperately. In your case, you assume that they are *paramount*- that the 
environment should be considered only as it presents a benifit to 
humanity. More than that, you wish to consider only that part of the 
environment which offers an economically measurable benifit to humanity- 
but more on that in a seperate message. Others have a different view of 
humanity: I'm sure you're familiar with most of 'em, positive and 
otherwise.

My view is something of a minority one as far as I can tell. I believe 
that, although a self-aware component, we are still nothing more than a 
*part* of the environment. 

Let me segway briefly into some of the cool stuff we've been studying in 
philosophy class recently, namely Aristotlian teleology. "Teleo" in Greek 
means "end", in the sense of an endpoint, an aim, or a fufillment. 
Aristotle believed that all things had a teleo. Man's teleo was 
happiness, whereas the happiness of other living beings was a lesser 
sense of satisfaction or, in the case of plants, simply living and 
reproducing. But *everything* had their teleo, their aim or fufillment; 
everything had a psyche, a soul. Even nonliving objects, while they did 
not have a concious aim, still had a *purpose* and should be respected in 
regards to that purpose.

Now I don't like all of Aristotle by any means, but my approach is 
similar: *all* things have their place and their purpose. Man's purpose 
appears to be slightly higher than that of other beings because we are 
self-concious but, while that may in some cases supercede the purpose of 
other beings. Other things do *not* exist simply for our use; they have a 
purpose, a life, a set of aims and a right to exist that is entirely 
independent of us. We are simply the first and the only beings to advance 
far enough to recognize this right of ourselves, this right of other 
beings; the only ones to have come far enough to given what already 
exists a shape and a set of words. It's a bit like the American Bill of 
Rights. The Bill of Rights doesn't *give* us anything. It merely states 
what we already have and pledges not to attempt to obstruct that. 
Similarly, I believe that the rights of other beings on this planet 
exist. They don't need my permission to exist. They don't need my 
*blessing* to exist. I can't *give* them anything; all I can do is cease 
to take away.

This doesn't mean I place the lives of other beasties (or plants, or 
places) above human life. If my family was in a burning building, I would 
dive into that building to find them and save them; that's natural. But 
if my family was safe I would turn around and walk back in to save 
everybody else. That's civilization.

IAAMOAC. And that civilization does *not* merely include humans. If I 
lived in a place where the humans were dying of malaria, I would not 
hesitate to use DDT to kill the mosquitos. That's natural. They're 
humans; they're my people. But if I could use any other chemical, I 
would. If the mosquitos weren't a disease risk, but an annoyance, I would 
do nothing; if they  were affecting my *profit*, and the only choice was 
to do damage to the environment or take the cut, I would take the cut. 
That is civilization.

Human civilization has never progressed in a smooth ark. It has always 
progressed in more of a jerky, nervous fashion, with various societies 
coming across hurdles and, like nervous racehorses, gone smoothly across 
some but balked- and fallen- at others. I think this is our next hurdle. 
We've been nerving ourselves up to it for a while. What else is science 
fiction about, after all, if not expanding that horizon of what we can 
*respect*? Two centuries ago it was white Anglo-Saxons. Then we 
reluctantly admitted the Celts; and more slowly, the blacks, the Asians, 
the Indians... and just within the past fifty years or so have begun to 
extend that barrier to natives, primitives, and cautiously and 
reluctantly admitting that maybe we have no ability to tell them what is 
"right" and what is "wrong" save in the most general of terms. And in 
science fiction we say: what if they weren't even human? What if it was 
an alien? What if it was a machine? Can we extend civilization, respect, 
that barrier of not-fair-game to something that doesn't look like us?

Can we extend that barrier to our resident aliens- these beasts and 
plants that we don't even understand? Can we accept that they, too, have 
a right to their homes and their way of life that cannot be set aside for 
our *convience* but only our *need*?

If we can- we'll make it through.

If we can't, we never deserved to.

Kat Feete

All homage to David Brin, whom I have most liberally and unabashedly 
stolen things from.




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A man said to the Universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
                       --Stephen Crane

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