At 11:31 AM 12/26/01, Gautam Mukunda wrote: >At 12:48 24-12-01 -0500, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >is that you seem to refuse to acknowledge that a lot of Arabs - > >perhaps even a majority of the Palestinians - _do_ want to destroy Israel > >and will do everything they can to achieve that. Arab terrorists attack > >Israeli children. Israel attacks Arab terrorists. > >Jeroen: >Also, Arabs attack other targets as well; Israel also attacks innocent >people and jails members of her own population for publicly disagreeing >with the Israeli government. > >Now, I realise that sometimes children get killed in terrorist attacks, but >to make it seem as if they are the only targets of Arab terrorists is a >cheap shot IMO. > >Me: >Actually, it's a fairly accurate summation of what's happening, at the >moment. Hamas and Islamic Jihad seem to have adopted a deliberate policy >of hitting areas frequented by children and teenagers. Discos and pizza >parlors are the two most memorable examples. Israel does not, in general, >attack innocent people. Some innocent people may be killed, but it is >clear that Israel goes to significant efforts to limit this from happening. >Finally, Israel does not jail people for disagreeing with their government. >Israel has free speech protections as good as those in the Netherlands - >better, actually, if I remember the surveys on the topic that I've read >correctly. If you knew anything about the Israeli government you would >know that. Ilana's grasp of English is not perfect and her words do not >have the meaning that you are trying to put upon them. I am, I should add, >familiar with at least the outlines of the cases which she is describing. >I find it noteable that you, who constantly claim that your limit >ed grasp of English is the reason you say things that some of us on the >list find outrageous, refuse to do so for someone else, whose English is >clearly not the equal of your own. > > >And you seem to prefer the terrorists. > >Jeroen: >No, I do not prefer the terrorists. As I have pointed out repeatedly, I do >not support actions that kill innocent people. In the conflict as a whole, >however, I do side with the Palestinians. I do not advocate the destruction >of Israel, but I do believe the Palestinians have as much right to their >own country as the Israeli's have. I do believe that Israel has no right to >treat the Palestinians in the way they are treating them. > >Me: >That is, however, not enough. Do you believe that the Palestinians have a >right to all of Jerusalem? All of the West Bank? All of the Gaza Strip? >Should Israel be at its 1967 borders? Its 1948 borders?
It's pre-1947 borders (i.e., nonexistent), which seems to be the real goal of many Palestinians? -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam� God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989)
