Halupovich Ilana wrote:
<<I wrote - there is no symmetry between Israeli soldier and Palestinian
terrorist.>>
Jeffrey Miller wrote
<<Terrorism is loosely defined as the use of terror, fear, and the threat of
violence to achieve political, social, or economic goals. When Israeli
troops fire randomly into crowds, assassinate people on the
suspicion of terror involvement, and kill the members of your community who
are politically active leaders, how does that not equate to terrorism from
THEIR perspective?>>
There is no randomly shooting into the crowds. And if there is - the guilty
are punished (see Or committee). Attacked soldiers and policemen *do*
protect themselves. Do you remember, ever, Palestinian authorities claiming
that any of the people who were assassinated were not involved with
terrorism? That politically active leader sent shahids - nobody claimed that
it was not so. You forgot the part of "terrorism" definition "acts committed
by non-government groups".
Jeroen wrote
<<There *is* symmetry -- you just refuse to see it. And by refusing to see
it, you give the impression that you believe Israel and the Israeli's are
superior to the Palestinians. :-(>>
Ilana wrote
<< Not exactly, but any individual-oriented, pro-life culture (however
misguided it is), is superior to group-oriented anti-life culture. And if
you want example - Judaism does not permit/support/encourage blowing
yourself up with your enemies for the glory of your God. What *I* believe is
that Arabs want to kill me. (I have plenty of evidence) and I feel justified
to prevent them from doing it.>>
Jeffrey Miller wrote
<<..and I believe most GOBs from Alabama want to kill me because I have long
hair and have friends who are gay AND black, but I'm not allowed to arrest
them on suspicions... I guess that's the beauty of the US system of
government. </slight sarcasm, a little wry personal bit, but not much
substance>>>
Neither Israeli citizens got arrested on suspicion of supporting
Palestinians
Jeroen wrote
<<If there were cartridges, and there were bullet holes, there were bullets.
It makes sense that the woman showed the cartridges, not the bullets;
picking up cartridges from the floor is a lot easier than prying those
bullets out of the wall.>>
Ilana wrote
<< If there were cartridges it means that somebody shoot *from* this house.
So reaction *was justified.>>
Jeffrey Miller wrote
<<smells more like a media event than concrete evidence (IE - showing the
cartridges is more powerful a media moment than pointing at some shot-up
plaster)>>
I don't know. There *were* shots from Beit Galla on Gilo. Israeli soldiers
shoot back on snipers. There *were* bullet holes in the walls - but woman
chosen to show handfuls of cartridges.
Jeffrey Miller wrote
<<I don't think Jeroen is representative of all Europeans.>>
I am not saying, that he is. This is the problem with English *you*. :-(
Ilana from Israel
