> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Zim wrote:
> >
> >> *If* there is anything as a just war - which
> >> I don't say the 1967 [[**]] war was - then it makes sense to use all
valid ways
> >> to make it an easier win.
> 
> [[**]] Oops. A typo. 1973.
> 
> >
> > But in fact most countries even in war follow certain rules. 
> >
> Which is not this case, is it? The atrocious thing was attacking
> Israel for the purpose of pushing the "Zionist invaders" to the
> Sea. A military victory would be immediately followed by a
> huge progrom against non-combatants.

pogrom
 
> > Attacking when every one is drunk celebrating is one thing; 
> > attacking on a solemn holy day is another. There are lines
> > that are drawn even in war and this was over that line. 
> >
> Question: is it in the Geneva convention anything about
> attacking in a solemn holy day?
> 
> OTOH, AFAIK there never *ceased* to exist a state of war
> between Israel and Egypt, Syria, Jordania and Lebannon,
> so the attack can be "justified" as just a new troop movement
> in a war that started in 1948 and didn't stop until then, with
> bursts of extra activity in 1948, 1956, and 1967.
> 
> > I have stayed out of most of this debate but I think it is important 
> > to understand war for what it is and what it is not. It the
destruction
> > of individuals not of your tribe for the advantage of your tribe. 
> >
> In Heinlein's _Starship Troopers_, war is defined as the use of force
> by one g*vernment to impose its will over another g*vernment.

Same diff.

> > But it is not total destruction. 
> >
> But in that case, the purpose of the Arab attackers *was* total
> destruction!

Which is what makes it immoral to side with the side that's goals are
genocide.

> > I think rules exist precisely because war is part of our species
> > history and our social structure. Wars come and go and if there
> > are no rules than life becomes intolerable because the next
> > war is more attrocious. 
> >
> Rules exist because humans have a hypocrite mind. The only
> reasonable rule for war should be: "don't". 

Some teachings of Jesus come to mind.  Oh well.

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